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returntothepit >> discuss >> HELVETE BOSTON OFFICIALLY CANCELLED by Falcifer on Jan 25,2005 8:04am
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toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 8:04am
I recieved this email this morning:

chris,
helvete night is officially canceled at obriens. there will be no
show next week. I’ve had too many people asking and suggesting
the night is some sort of white power night and too much bad vibes
about it already. no one on the staff at the club wants it to continue,
and it’s not the type of notoriety the room cares to be a part of.

thanks,
shred


I will personally see that this organization who started this rumor and got us cancelled pays. You know who you are. Now I would like to say Hail to all those who made this last year a good one for metal. I met some fantastic people during this time. I thought Boston was ready for a night like this... I guess I was wrong. Metal has no place in popular Boston and never will. As a result HelveteBoston.com will officially be shut down...

Hail and Farewell

Chris



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jan 25,2005 8:40am
gee. I wonder who could be involved in black metal and white power.



toggletoggle post by JayTUS   at Jan 25,2005 8:49am
That's fucked up.



toggletoggle post by korpse-l- at Jan 25,2005 8:57am
that sucks. especially because i never got to go to one and i was looking forward to going to one. maybe another club will pick it up.



toggletoggle post by shatteredliz   at Jan 25,2005 9:07am
Damn, this sucks. I reallly enjoyed the Helvet shows. I already had about six people coming with me to the next show. Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but I don't understand why this show got such a bad reputation. It;s just a bunch of people getting together to listen to metal, and there's nothing wrong wtih that.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 25,2005 9:12am
Thanks alot whoever started that rumor, boston metal definately needed another set back. Helvete was a great time.



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 9:16am
We were targeted by NEFAC - North Eastern Federation of Anarchist Communists. WE WERE SHUT DOWN BY PEACE PUNKS! FUCKING COMMUNISTS... misinformed gutter punks with nothing else to do but take away something that they do not understand. Quite frankly I don't see the difference between these guys and the religious zealots who currently control the country. And another thing the one in charge of this whole thing is the lead singer for a band called Czolgosz. A band named after Leon Czolgosz. A man who assassinated President McKinley. A MURDERER! There is no justice. Just another case of other people telling you what you can’t do. I don't see another club picking us up after something like this.



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 9:17am
This is their website... http://www.nefac.net/

Its 1/2 in french... tells you where their collective heads are! Hows that for racist!



toggletoggle post by TerribleNightSteve   at Jan 25,2005 9:25am
That really sucks. I only got to go to this one time at the Paradise and I was excited that it was at Obriens. damn



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 9:34am
fuck-fuckity-FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!

what the hell? That is BULLSHIT! what is fucking WRONG with this town? TONS, apparently!

SHIT! :(



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 25,2005 9:34am
I know that I for one didn't ruin it.
I was too busy ruining hardcore. plus, it was always on a monday night. a night that I'm forever dedicated to something else.

on the whole NEFAC thing... it always really impressed me how rich brats like to think they are "anarchists" and try to bring down or change governments by not showering. reminds me of this hippie kid from college who kept trying to bring woodstock everywhere. last I knew, he was running with the wolf spirits which lead him to burn down a house and he got commited to some place.

oh, and there is nothing wrong with french. especially if a bit tittied hotty is giving you a BJ and she speaks french.



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 9:39am
I have LESS THAN NOTHING against the French. Not only are some kick-ass metal bands French, Belgian, French-Canadian (hello VOIVOD, CRYPTOPSY, ABORTED, SUBLIME CADAVERIC DECOMPOSITION), but there hails from there some of the best literary lights in surrealist/extreme fiction (BECKETT *Irish emigree, but still*, DE NERVAL, DE SADE, LAUTREMONT)

what I do have a problem with is these poser-crust fucks ruining any possible outlet we have for real metal in this town. DAMMIT!



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 9:42am
Well this doesn't ruin my day or anything

Jesus christ these people piss me off so much I can't even articulate how angry this makes me
Alot of people really look forward to helvete because it provided the opportunity to listen to metal with a group of people.. people listen to metal and they drink. Since when is that a fucking crime?



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 9:42am
here's a question:
does Providence win now? Looks it.



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 9:44am
Boston officially sucks for BM



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 25,2005 9:46am edited Jan 25,2005 9:46am
the_reverend said:

oh, and there is nothing wrong with french. especially if a bit tittied hotty is giving you a BJ and she speaks french.


merci mon amour



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 9:46am
paganmegan said:
Boston officially sucks for BM


fuck dude, time will tell. What were we talkin' about earlier. But maybe the whole entire country is THIS fucked.

let it fuel your anger and conviction for playing the music you love.



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 25,2005 9:46am
Falcifer said:
We were targeted by NEFAC - North Eastern Federation of Anarchist Communists. WE WERE SHUT DOWN BY PEACE PUNKS! FUCKING COMMUNISTS... misinformed gutter punks with nothing else to do but take away something that they do not understand. Quite frankly I don't see the difference between these guys and the religious zealots who currently control the country. And another thing the one in charge of this whole thing is the lead singer for a band called Czolgosz. A band named after Leon Czolgosz. A man who assassinated President McKinley. A MURDERER! There is no justice. Just another case of other people telling you what you can’t do. I don't see another club picking us up after something like this.


that's fucked up...
please don't give up though...



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 9:48am
the_reverend said:
I know that I for one didn't ruin it.
I was too busy ruining hardcore. plus, it was always on a monday night. a night that I'm forever dedicated to something else.

on the whole NEFAC thing... it always really impressed me how rich brats like to think they are "anarchists" and try to bring down or change governments by not showering. reminds me of this hippie kid from college who kept trying to bring woodstock everywhere. last I knew, he was running with the wolf spirits which lead him to burn down a house and he got commited to some place.

oh, and there is nothing wrong with french. especially if a bit tittied hotty is giving you a BJ and she speaks french.


You have no idea how right on you are about these people. The person in question while fronting this "cause" tours with his band all over the world... fine right? WRONG! His parents own a FEW very successful specialty markets/eateries in the South End... he comes back on tour and still has a job working for mommy and daddy in their cushy stores. Talk about a golden parachute…

BY THE WAY THE FRENCH COMMENT WAS A JOKE… just trying to find any and all humor in this dark time.



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 9:50am
goddamn! That is downright iniquitous.

well, my personal hails to you for everything you accomplished with the project, dude. I couldn't go every time but I had a blast during the ones I could, especially the Horn of Valere show.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 25,2005 9:52am
litacore said:
paganmegan said:
Boston officially sucks for BM


fuck dude, time will tell. What were we talkin' about earlier. But maybe the whole entire country is THIS fucked.

let it fuel your anger and conviction for playing the music you love.


I don't think the rest of the country is the same as Massachsuetts, artistic expression is forbidden here.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 25,2005 10:00am
I don't know other peoples feelings, is anyone blaming O'Brien's at all? I see where they are coming from if they were getting alot of bad publicity because those anarchist kids convinced people Helvete was white power.

I think Shred is the only cool guy in the club scene around here, as far as booking shows. Purp, the sound guy at O'Briens is awesome too.



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 10:00am
What burns me the most is the club completely folded and offered no support or listened to reason. We actually went to NEFAC explained what we were doing and what we were about... they were ready to blockade/protest (shows you how much time these people have) the 01/31 Helvete...



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 25,2005 10:00am
again, i wish people would not give up...make your voices heard!



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 10:03am
You read his email the guy folded... I can understand his concerns, but give us a chance to explain... the one thing I don't understand is the "too much bad vibes about it already" comment... it to me smacks of prejudice against "metal" and "long hairs".



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 25,2005 10:05am
Yeah thats true, Shred does seem to completely against anything white power, the mere mention of it pisses him off.

Did you get my email?



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 10:08am
Got it... sounds like a really good idea. Thanks a lot!



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 10:09am
Don't let helvete die!!



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 10:14am
paganmegan said:
Don't let helvete die!!


All I can promise is we will try, but this is a serious blow to take. The stigma of "racist" or "white power organization" is a tough one to over come... especially in this close-minded town.




toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 10:16am
I fail to see how metalheads getting together once a month to listen to music and bands that don't suck constitutes racism or white power, the assholes



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 10:18am
such injustice. NSBM association doesn't seem credible to me, they just pre-judge Black Metal because of 'Access Hollywood' or 'Hard Copy' type of media coverage



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jan 25,2005 10:19am
wow a bunch of suburban white anarchists protesting a metal night with bands they will ironicly listen to in 2 years. oops, sorry they dont live in the suburbs anymore - they live in allston. so fucking gay.



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 10:36am
this is one of their contacts:
smash_rich_bastards@yahoo.com

so . . . they're a pro-suicide or masochistic organization?

seriously, I'm a fairly intelligent person, and I hate fascism even more than metalcore. But this just seems like they mis-directed their activism towards the wrong target. I don't get it (am I supposed to?)



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jan 25,2005 10:45am
their fucking idiots. any 'real anarchists' would have much more important things to focus on. like constructively contributing to the community. not boycotting a metal night because they think it might somehow be associated with white power. their fucking idiots. i dont even care to look because ill just get pissed off. boston is the shittiest city in the history of the world..ever. 'a whales vagina!'



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jan 25,2005 10:45am
I don't get it, just tell the owner of o'briens that you guys are not affiliated with white power, tell this nefac org. to fuck off or fight you all. [/end]



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 10:49am
ok, I gotta send 'em an e-mail. I'm left of center, my DAD was even more left than I (and was blacklisted by Fuckhead Joe McCarthy for it), but along with general political savvy I love music and particularly metal.

So . . . this melts my brain. I'm not going to send them a hate rant, that's beneath my intelligence.

I just want some clarifications from them. What they did makes very little sense to me.

I'm not writing as a member of any organization, certainly not of Helvete or even my own BM band. Just as a native citizen of this cold and blustery state.

anybody want to include their 2 cents, do it soon or e-me by Noon: litacore@att.net



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 10:57am
RustedAngel said:
I don't get it, just tell the owner of o'briens that you guys are not affiliated with white power, tell this nefac org. to fuck off or fight you all. [/end]


Don't think for once that I just got this email and that is it. Not by any stretch of the imagination. This has been going back and forth for the better part of a month. We got wind of this through a person who knows NEFAC... she said that we were on a "watch list" or "on their radar" for being a meeting place for white power. Then the phone calls to MY HOUSE started. Telling us to "stop" "its not right" "you should know better" "that is a white power band" and such... I have been dealing and trying to calm these people down. They were full on ready to set up a blockade of this months Helvete/CNV show. Period. We went to them and explained and talked... they decided to call the protest off, but to "keep watching"...

I guess the club, as you read, didn't want the stigma or even deal with the "bad vibes"... we have already done a lot... quite frankly I am tired and the only thing that will keep me going is the PURE HATRED I now feel for this organization.



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jan 25,2005 10:57am
are you guys going to be playing soon? did you find a drummer?



toggletoggle post by CNV? at Jan 25,2005 11:04am
no wonder, because CNV is white power. That band or someone in the band is responsible for posting all the white power propaganda on this board from time to time. There was a thread about a week ago suggesting racist beliefs...



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jan 25,2005 11:13am
oh my god... i just realized nefac is the anarchocommunist group. these kids are the biggest fucking joke on the planet.



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 11:19am
Why would anyone even consider a group that affiliates themselves with communism credible in the least?



toggletoggle post by WhyamIandasshole   at Jan 25,2005 11:21am
I cant even make sense of the website. It just made my eyes hurt and my dick drip.



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jan 25,2005 11:22am
I don't understand that website at all either, looks like a pile of asshair.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 25,2005 11:28am edited Jan 25,2005 11:29am
as someone who has not been to one of these events,
the only thing "white power" that I've heard from people is reports of someone doing the "seig heil" thing outside the club (when it was at the paradise), but don't blame the event cause one person was a retard at a show.

it's too bad the commies don't have something better to do with their time.. like feed straving kids or something... maybe make a difference and save a life instead of "going for the glory" and crushing what people want or choose to do with their lives. Oh wait! feeding starving kids doesn't get you any glory or headlines so who the fuck would want to do that!



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jan 25,2005 11:33am
i think anarchists are pretty fucking gay, but i can confidently say this has nothing to do with real anarchists who have (or at least think they have) much more important things to care about. i would love to go to a nefac meeting and hit everyone of those motherfuckers in the face with a flail. "anarcho communist" is the dumbest fucking thing ive ever heard in my life. GAY GAY GAY



toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 11:37am
CNV? said:
no wonder, because CNV is white power. That band or someone in the band is responsible for posting all the white power propaganda on this board from time to time. There was a thread about a week ago suggesting racist beliefs...

care to elaborate?




toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 11:42am
If one person is racist, it doesn't make everyone around them racist, thats just as biased.. and who are these anarchocommie bastards to point fingers anyways?



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jan 25,2005 11:44am
didnt you know that if you are in your band space getting drunk and calling your friends fags it automatically turns the entire building into a secret underground society hellbent on the destruction of human rights? you should know that!!



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 11:47am
dan. said:
didnt you know that if you are in your band space getting drunk and calling your friends fags it automatically turns the entire building into a secret underground society hellbent on the destruction of human rights? you should know that!!


Well, I guess these guys are gonna come after me next then



toggletoggle post by notCNV at Jan 25,2005 12:34pm
Well, it's not just ONE person or band unfortunately.



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 12:36pm
Well it sure as shit isn't everyone, and as long as no one is infringing upon anyone else's rights or well being, who gives a rat's ass what people's fucking beliefs are?



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 12:42pm
notCNV said:
Well, it's not just ONE person or band unfortunately.


well, NSBM bands/fans are fucking posers, even worse than fundamentalist christians



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jan 25,2005 12:45pm
(upper) middle class white guilt



toggletoggle post by korpse-l- at Jan 25,2005 12:48pm
paganmegan said:
Well it sure as shit isn't everyone, and as long as no one is infringing upon anyone else's rights or well being, who gives a rat's ass what people's fucking beliefs are?


well put



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 12:49pm edited Jan 25,2005 12:49pm
Thanks, I'm a little pissed off about this

I really look forward to helvete and it being cancelled because of a bunch of little bitches really brightens up my day



toggletoggle post by CNV? at Jan 25,2005 12:49pm
well, if you have a white power band playing the event, of course you're going to draw attention to yourself...

mr. CNV seems to know quite a bit about white power bands, see this thread:
http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=12541

a quote from cnv:
"A. It's politically correct to hate white people. Jews made sure of that. The media also encourages self hatred and guilt.
B. Whites have turned into tolerant pussies because of christian tyranny and enlavement. We have to love thy neighbor!!!
C. We are becoming the minority.
D. It's only going to get worse.
E. Good advice: Be like Thor and smash these motherfuckers in half with hammers!"



toggletoggle post by korpse-l- at Jan 25,2005 12:50pm
that's exactly what they are... little bitches. fag, sissy, homo, queers.



toggletoggle post by CNV? at Jan 25,2005 12:51pm
another quote

"post by CNV at Dec 10,2003 8:12pm

The cover art posted is the rough draft the artist created. It is not complete. Sorry I caused so much confusion. All the members of the band are into European culture and such... Our bass player is actually a Swedish citizen. CNV is not a political band... The new CD will have a better production and the musicianship has improved in our opinion. As far as us being labelled rascists and such... We hate the blind support of our taxpaying dollars going to Israel and Zionism. White Pride, World Wide!"



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 25,2005 12:54pm
I don't know how many times the point needs to be driven in, but because ONE band that plays Helvete happens to be a white power band on one level or another, it does not make Helvete night a white power meeting place in any way shape or form.

i fucking hate hippies.



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 12:55pm
CNV? said:
another quote

"We hate the blind support of our taxpaying dollars going to Israel and Zionism. White Pride, World Wide!"


derp-dee-der!




toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 12:56pm
assuck said:
I don't know how many times the point needs to be driven in, but because ONE band that plays Helvete happens to be a white power band on one level or another, it does not make Helvete night a white power meeting place in any way shape or form.

i fucking hate hippies.



If you try extra hard to be pollitically correct like this goddamn bozo it is fucking gay





toggletoggle post by CNV? at Jan 25,2005 12:57pm
Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not.

Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC.



toggletoggle post by CNV? at Jan 25,2005 1:00pm
"post by coldnorthernvengeance at Oct 30,2004 12:29pm
Angry Aryans too white for you
Our message is clear
and drives you to kill
getting away with murder is not hard to do
Break in their house
Poison all their food

Filthy white bitch
race traitor whore
faggots with aids
stalking out your kids
shylock jew with beady little eyes
Do it Now!
They've got to DIE!!!!

from Angry Aryan "Too White for You""



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:00pm
ok kids, I just gotta ask - what is NSBM?



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:01pm
and you - CNV? you talk too much for an anonymous poster



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:01pm
reveal yourself



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 1:03pm
CNV? said:
Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not.

Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC.


Fact is we were on the NEFAC "radar" well before the booking of CNV... another thing aside from a few words, CNV said nothing that ANY pro-Palastein supporters have not said...



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:05pm
you don't have to be a nazi to see the usa and israel in bed together.



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 1:05pm
Music is music and most of the people that go to helvete go to appreciate it, and not for any pathetic political reasons..



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 1:05pm
CNV? said:
"post by coldnorthernvengeance at Oct 30,2004 12:29pm
Angry Aryans too white for you
Our message is clear
and drives you to kill
getting away with murder is not hard to do
Break in their house
Poison all their food

Filthy white bitch
race traitor whore
faggots with aids
stalking out your kids
shylock jew with beady little eyes
Do it Now!
They've got to DIE!!!!

from Angry Aryan "Too White for You""


ter-teedlee-tum!



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:07pm
paganmegan said:
Music is music and most of the people that go to helvete go to appreciate it, and not for any pathetic political reasons..


exactly, I was gonna go to this show, I dig the metal.




toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 1:08pm
pisscup said:
paganmegan said:
Music is music and most of the people that go to helvete go to appreciate it, and not for any pathetic political reasons..


exactly, I was gonna go to this show, I dig the metal.



I think thats just about where everyone is at




toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 1:12pm
paganmegan said:
Music is music and most of the people that go to helvete go to appreciate it, and not for any pathetic political reasons..


Exactly, this thread has gotten away from the sad fact is that regardless of your political affiliations Helvete was set up as a place to come hang out, network, what have you and listen to good metal music… this was taken away due to close-minded individuals who can’t see “the forest for the trees”. I am in no way "racist" and my ethnicity is FAR from aryan. I am proud of who I am and what I have done thus far in my life, but these people judged me before they knew what was going on... now that means war!



toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 1:15pm
I just sent them a letter. I doubt theyll see the reasoning behind it but at least i said something.



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jan 25,2005 1:16pm
if you care so much about what a band believes then go jerk off to aus rotten. who fucking cares man ITS METAL. i dont care if a band im listening to fucking supports murdering my parents. if their brutal then im into it. i dont care what they believe. im not purchasing their pamphlets, im into their music. music. if they dont suck, then alrite.



toggletoggle post by CNV? at Jan 25,2005 1:21pm
well, it's your own fault this is happening. maybe you'll think twice about booking anymore white power bands.



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jan 25,2005 1:23pm
ITS HIS OWN FAULT A BUNCH OF FUCKING RETARDS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TALK SHIT AND CAUSE EVENTS TO BE CANCELED? you are seriously the dumbest motherfucker on the planet



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:24pm
dan. said:
if you care so much about what a band believes then go jerk off to aus rotten. who fucking cares man ITS METAL. i dont care if a band im listening to fucking supports murdering my parents. if their brutal then im into it. i dont care what they believe. im not purchasing their pamphlets, im into their music. music. if they dont suck, then alrite.



I drove like 300 miles to see Waco Jesus and if they were selling pamphlets, I would have bought one.



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 1:26pm
CNV? said:
well, it's your own fault this is happening. maybe you'll think twice about booking anymore white power bands.


How is it my fault... once again we were "being watched" well before the booking of CNV. This is a fact. Explain to me how this is "my fault". Get the facts straight then you can accuse. Until then go bleed on someone elses parade...



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jan 25,2005 1:27pm
blast you in the face with my semen, blast you in the face with my fist!



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 1:27pm
Falcifer said:
paganmegan said:
Music is music and most of the people that go to helvete go to appreciate it, and not for any pathetic political reasons..


Exactly, this thread has gotten away from the sad fact is that regardless of your political affiliations Helvete was set up as a place to come hang out, network, what have you and listen to good metal music… this was taken away due to close-minded individuals who can’t see “the forest for the trees”. I am in no way "racist" and my ethnicity is FAR from aryan. I am proud of who I am and what I have done thus far in my life, but these people judged me before they knew what was going on... now that means war!


They put forth this facade that they are so against holding biased opinions on any group, but look how they have lumped the metal community , as all being white power.. its fucking ridiculous to deprive people of the chance to hang out and listen to good music and have a drink, just because they need to make themselves feel fucking self-righteous



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 1:28pm
CNV? said:
well, it's your own fault this is happening. maybe you'll think twice about booking anymore white power bands.


You dumb prick



toggletoggle post by CNV? at Jan 25,2005 1:36pm
paganmegan said:


You dumb prick


dumb, and RIGHT. eat it.



toggletoggle post by notCNV at Jan 25,2005 1:37pm
paganmegan said:
CNV? said:
well, it's your own fault this is happening. maybe you'll think twice about booking anymore white power bands.


You dumb prick
Why? Are you racist?




toggletoggle post by CNV? at Jan 25,2005 1:37pm
yet anohter quote from the "LAST SHOW THREAD"

"CATHACH at Aug 27,2004 3:10pm
Hail to all for the support.We are trying to make this show worth going to and hope it is the first of many.I'd like to respond to the anti-Clearchannel comment.THEY ARE SCUM SO ARE THE LYONS BROTHERS! No doubt about that.The club itself is caught in the middle of these two corporate bastards and has been suffering for the last year.Neither company wants to part with one cent of their cash to maintain the operations.The Paradise is one of the best clubs in the country-or was.I've seen everyone from SSD to CANDLEMASS there so I know how full of shit CC/LG are when they say heavy music isn't 'do-able' at the club.CC finally realized that they won't make money if the club is closed so in their greed NOT out of the goodness of their hearts, they allowed the staff to book outside shows.CC takes 50% of the door-for doing nothing!-and we close the balcony to keep capacity down to 350.HELVETEBOSTON is not making any profit from this event.All the money will be split evenly between the four bands.WE will exploit CC/LG whenever possible to infiltrate and help build a stronger metal community.We would also like to invite any distro/label/zine etc. to come to the show and set up a table for merch.All are welcome except for Christians, Muslims, Jews,Juggaloes and Fred Durst.WOTAN MIT UNS."



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 25,2005 1:38pm
haha i can hear these faggots' conversation now

"let's play the 'are you racist?' card!"

"yeah, that'll make them stop proving us wrong!"



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 25,2005 1:39pm
NSBM = national socialist black metal



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:42pm
damn, I'm stoned and surrounded by nazis. CNV reveal yourself



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 1:42pm
notCNV said:
paganmegan said:
CNV? said:
well, it's your own fault this is happening. maybe you'll think twice about booking anymore white power bands.


You dumb prick
Why? Are you racist?




If someone disagrees with you, are they instantly racist??hmmm



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 1:44pm
pisscup said:
damn, I'm stoned and surrounded by nazis. CNV reveal yourself


Is that better? It doesn't really matter anyways, you won't do shit.



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 1:44pm
CNV? said:
yet anohter quote from the "LAST SHOW THREAD"

"CATHACH at Aug 27,2004 3:10pm
Hail to all for the support.We are trying to make this show worth going to and hope it is the first of many.I'd like to respond to the anti-Clearchannel comment.THEY ARE SCUM SO ARE THE LYONS BROTHERS! No doubt about that.The club itself is caught in the middle of these two corporate bastards and has been suffering for the last year.Neither company wants to part with one cent of their cash to maintain the operations.The Paradise is one of the best clubs in the country-or was.I've seen everyone from SSD to CANDLEMASS there so I know how full of shit CC/LG are when they say heavy music isn't 'do-able' at the club.CC finally realized that they won't make money if the club is closed so in their greed NOT out of the goodness of their hearts, they allowed the staff to book outside shows.CC takes 50% of the door-for doing nothing!-and we close the balcony to keep capacity down to 350.HELVETEBOSTON is not making any profit from this event.All the money will be split evenly between the four bands.WE will exploit CC/LG whenever possible to infiltrate and help build a stronger metal community.We would also like to invite any distro/label/zine etc. to come to the show and set up a table for merch.All are welcome except for Christians, Muslims, Jews,Juggaloes and Fred Durst.WOTAN MIT UNS."


While not the best choice of words it was explained that this is in refrence to organized religions... which yes I personally am 100% against.



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:46pm
the_reverend said:
NSBM = national socialist black metal


bah! it couldn't be any worse than me getting drunk and disco dancing to One Life Crew (whom I love, by the way). just don't beat me up kids.



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:47pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
pisscup said:
damn, I'm stoned and surrounded by nazis. CNV reveal yourself


Is that better? It doesn't really matter anyways, you won't do shit.



but, CAN YOU KICKFLIP?



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 1:47pm
Falcifer said:
CNV? said:
yet anohter quote from the "LAST SHOW THREAD"

"CATHACH at Aug 27,2004 3:10pm
Hail to all for the support.We are trying to make this show worth going to and hope it is the first of many.I'd like to respond to the anti-Clearchannel comment.THEY ARE SCUM SO ARE THE LYONS BROTHERS! No doubt about that.The club itself is caught in the middle of these two corporate bastards and has been suffering for the last year.Neither company wants to part with one cent of their cash to maintain the operations.The Paradise is one of the best clubs in the country-or was.I've seen everyone from SSD to CANDLEMASS there so I know how full of shit CC/LG are when they say heavy music isn't 'do-able' at the club.CC finally realized that they won't make money if the club is closed so in their greed NOT out of the goodness of their hearts, they allowed the staff to book outside shows.CC takes 50% of the door-for doing nothing!-and we close the balcony to keep capacity down to 350.HELVETEBOSTON is not making any profit from this event.All the money will be split evenly between the four bands.WE will exploit CC/LG whenever possible to infiltrate and help build a stronger metal community.We would also like to invite any distro/label/zine etc. to come to the show and set up a table for merch.All are welcome except for Christians, Muslims, Jews,Juggaloes and Fred Durst.WOTAN MIT UNS."


While not the best choice of words it was explained that this is in refrence to organized religions... which yes I personally am 100% against.


Organized religions tend to love to brand people heretics for not adhereing to their dogmatic priniciples, which this annonymous poster of dubious intelligence seems to possess



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 1:48pm
paganmegan said:


If someone disagrees with you, are they instantly racist??hmmm


If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything.



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 1:50pm
I can rub my belly and scratch my head at the same time



toggletoggle post by korpse-l- at Jan 25,2005 1:51pm
i hate all types of people. just like they hate me. suck my ball bag and choke on a fist full of pubic hair.



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 1:53pm
paganmegan said:

Organized religions tend to love to brand people heretics for not adhereing to their dogmatic priniciples, which this annonymous poster of dubious intelligence seems to possess


call me anonymous all you want. My name is Jim Anderson...I was born in 1975, my shoe size is 13. What else do you want to know you little shitbag?



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:54pm
ok that's it. who wants to start a WHITE POWDER band with me?



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 25,2005 1:54pm
i'm in



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 1:56pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
paganmegan said:


If someone disagrees with you, are they instantly racist??hmmm


If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything.



Its stupid to hate someone based on race. Its equally stupid to judge an entire group of people because of the beliefs of a few



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 1:56pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
paganmegan said:

Organized religions tend to love to brand people heretics for not adhereing to their dogmatic priniciples, which this annonymous poster of dubious intelligence seems to possess


call me anonymous all you want. My name is Jim Anderson...I was born in 1975, my shoe size is 13. What else do you want to know you little shitbag?







toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 1:56pm
pisscup said:
ok that's it. who wants to start a WHITE POWDER band with me?


me as well



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 1:58pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
paganmegan said:


If someone disagrees with you, are they instantly racist??hmmm


If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything.


Good point repeatedly again a good point... and good of you to take the power to fix the wrong away from us and our community. Thanks for looking out for a whole community's best interest. Thanks for caring enough to remove any chance for us to even begin.



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 1:59pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
paganmegan said:

Organized religions tend to love to brand people heretics for not adhereing to their dogmatic priniciples, which this annonymous poster of dubious intelligence seems to possess


call me anonymous all you want. My name is Jim Anderson...I was born in 1975, my shoe size is 13. What else do you want to know you little shitbag?


You're a dick, and mean as well



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 25,2005 2:01pm
paganmegan said:
Its stupid to hate someone based on race. Its equally stupid to judge an entire group of people because of the beliefs of a few


that pretty much sums up this whole situation.

i'm done.

let me know about that white powder band though



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 2:02pm



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 2:02pm
You stupid fucking cunt. You, (Notanonymous), I'm talking to you shithead. You just cost me six thousand dollars. That's right. Six thousand dollars and one Cadillac. What are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about it, asshole? You're fucking shit! Where did you learn your trade you stupid fucking cunt, you idiot?! Whoever told you that you could work with men?! Oh, I'm gonna have your job . . . I don't care who you know, whose nephew you are or who's dick you're suckin on, you're going out! I swear to you, you're going out! . . .
What you are hired for is to help us. Does that seem clear to you? To help us, not to fuck us up. To help men who are going out there to try to earn a living, you fairy, you company man. I'll tell you something else. I hope you ripped the joint off, I could tell our friend here a little something might help him to catch you.You wanna learn the first rule you'd know if you ever spent a day in your life? You NEVER open your mouth till you know what the shot is. You fucking child.
----------------------
What Pacino (a.k.a. SHYLOCK) said to his boss in 'Glengary Glen Ross' (edited for the general context of this here thread)



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 2:04pm
I am so full of vitriol

are we 10 on the mean scale yet?



toggletoggle post by notCNV at Jan 25,2005 2:04pm
Does anyone remember the white power rally? Well the retards that came on here and talked shit?



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 2:04pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:


wanna make out?




toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 25,2005 2:05pm
i got dibs on him



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 2:06pm
assuck said:
i got dibs on him


HAHAHAHA!



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 2:07pm
Nope, I'm sodomizing him with a crowbar, maybe two



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 2:11pm
paganmegan said:
Nope, I'm sodomizing him with a crowbar, maybe two


ha! okay, pussy.

CNV guy's and others, involved in this white power thread as well...how odd?
http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=896




toggletoggle post by coldnorthernvengeance  at Jan 25,2005 2:14pm
This is total fucking bullshit. First and foremost COLD NORTHERN VENGEANCE is NOT a political band. I am not a nazi. In fact I have nothing to do with any political organization.
Second... Fuck all you PC faggots, fuck these commie motherfuckers, fuck anyone that stands in our way. Some people in Boston were sick of the pseudo metal scene and tried to create a TRUE scene in Boston but leave it to a bunch of ultra left wing faggots to ruin it for everyone. I'm gonna be sure to do plenty of research on these bastards. Bunch of snot nosed kids that need something to "piss and moan" about. If something does not fit their PC facsist mentality they do everything they can to get a show cancelled.
Third... I appreciate what all the Helvete guys are doing and hope they continue. Don't let these faggots ruin Black Metal around Boston.




toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 2:14pm edited Jan 25,2005 2:16pm
sounds like someone on this thread is saying one thing and doin' another

it's the great American way



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 2:17pm
coldnorthernvengeance said:
This is total fucking bullshit. First and foremost COLD NORTHERN VENGEANCE is NOT a political band. I am not a nazi. In fact I have nothing to do with any political organization.
Second... Fuck all you PC faggots, fuck these commie motherfuckers, fuck anyone that stands in our way. Some people in Boston were sick of the pseudo metal scene and tried to create a TRUE scene in Boston but leave it to a bunch of ultra left wing faggots to ruin it for everyone. I'm gonna be sure to do plenty of research on these bastards. Bunch of snot nosed kids that need something to "piss and moan" about. If something does not fit their PC facsist mentality they do everything they can to get a show cancelled.
Third... I appreciate what all the Helvete guys are doing and hope they continue. Don't let these faggots ruin Black Metal around Boston.



here here




toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:05pm edited Jan 25,2005 3:08pm
Why is communism any less stupid than racism?






toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 3:08pm
Larissa you know this guy?



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 3:09pm
Josh_Martin said:
Why is communism any less stupid than racism?





Because they're the ones doing the finger pointing, of course



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 3:10pm
Everyone wish Josh Martin here a warm welcome to the discussion here, who has proved himself as a complete piece of dog shit previously.



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 3:12pm
In case you missed what Josh Martin just posted:

Josh_Martin said:

NIGGER
Jimmy Notanonymous said:

LOVER


only he edited his post because he's a pussy.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:13pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Everyone wish Josh Martin here a warm welcome to the discussion here, who has proved himself as a complete piece of dog shit previously.


Yeah, you chickenshit. I played in the most racist band ever next to Skrewdriver, never saw you morons at our shows. Too scared to fight people who really get violent?

Anyway, I'm glad you think I'm dogshit, when a faggot like you hates me I know I'm right.










toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:15pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
In case you missed what Josh Martin just posted:

Josh_Martin said:

NIGGER
Jimmy Notanonymous said:

LOVER


only he edited his post because he's a pussy.


Actually I edited because I couldn't get it to come out right.

Right I'm totally afraid to say nigger. Since you seem to follow my posts around on the internet, you should know that by now.






toggletoggle post by Ninkaszi187   at Jan 25,2005 3:16pm
this is so fucking gay. what a great set we had planned. i was going to be doing vocals for cnv at this show. anyone that has a problem with that can confront me anytime they want. fukk off all poser hippy crust fags.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 25,2005 3:17pm
paganmegan said:
pisscup said:
ok that's it. who wants to start a WHITE POWDER band with me?


me as well


black metal bands and goth bands have been doing that for years...

check the neck dude, white powder...



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 3:19pm
Chickenshit? you're the one editing your posts you sally. I've always been into music that is actually good, not shitty sounding music that you've always been involved in. Bring it on bitch, seriously.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:21pm
I like how people who supposedly stand up for people's rights are so anti-free speech.
Collectively communists are the dumbest group of people on the planet. I've met retards with a better formed political outlook.



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 3:23pm
Helvete was cool. Great idea and much needed, but the only ones I've been to had dudes sig heiling eachother and shit. It's not that much of a suprise people got paranoid. Especially with the rumor mill that is Boston.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:24pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Chickenshit? you're the one editing your posts you sally. I've always been into music that is actually good, not shitty sounding music that you've always been involved in. Bring it on bitch, seriously.


Lame. Seriously lame. Your Daddy's waiting out side in his BMW. Better hurry, he's got your tuition check.

Yes you are a chickenshit. You protest over the phone, not in person. Total fucking chickenshit.

Bring what on? This is the internet you idiot.





toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 25,2005 3:25pm
Fight FIght Foight!



toggletoggle post by SINOFANGELS-RAY  at Jan 25,2005 3:26pm
Wow And I just Shaved My Head.....



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:27pm
I bet these idiots think they changed the world by shutting down a black metal show that maybe 50 people would've gone too.
College students get dumber every year.




toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 3:28pm
Hooker said:
but the only ones I've been to had dudes sig heiling eachother and shit. It's not that much of a suprise people got paranoid.


*ding ding*

Hooker seems to be one of the few others in this thread with an ounce of intelligence.




toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 3:28pm
I remember shaving my head last summer and I had big ass mutton chops still. I got on the train and hip hop high school just let out. I was surrounded by black kids and after a few stops noticed that the way I was holding onto the bar while standing up made me look like I was heiling. Shit was funny. Then I showed them all how I shaved a swaztika in my bush and we had a laugh.



toggletoggle post by SINOFANGELS-RAY  at Jan 25,2005 3:30pm
And have alot of Tat fucking Toos......and love Black metal shit I'm doomed....



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:30pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Hooker said:
but the only ones I've been to had dudes sig heiling eachother and shit. It's not that much of a suprise people got paranoid.


*ding ding*

Hooker seems to be one of the few others in this thread with an ounce of intelligence.



Way to defend free speech.
Tipper Gore appreciates your efforts though.




toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 3:31pm
Josh_Martin said:

College students are smarter than me.


+1



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:32pm
Next time some commie punk band plays at that gay place in Allston we should go down there with bats.
I don't even care about black metal, but I would love to see this kid and his friends get hurt.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:35pm
Poor Jimmy has been reduced to quoting me and then changing the text.
Gee, what a surprise he has nothing to say to me. Censors need to be killed.



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 3:36pm
I'm in no way involved with NEFAC, but I'm glad to see you're angry enough to want to hurt people. You'll really help the situation then.

You are the solution to this. Kill yourself and you will have helped contribute to making the scene a better place.



toggletoggle post by coldnorthernvengeance  at Jan 25,2005 3:36pm
If a commie band plays at Obrien's let's make sure we let the club owner know that there is going to be a full scale riot in the streets if they play there.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:36pm
I think communism is responsible for more murders than racism.
I don't think all the Klansmen in the country could equal Stalin. Never mind Pol Pot.



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 3:36pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Hooker said:
but the only ones I've been to had dudes sig heiling eachother and shit. It's not that much of a suprise people got paranoid.


*ding ding*

Hooker seems to be one of the few others in this thread with an ounce of intelligence.



I ran almost all of these nights and I personally never saw any of this. It is also to be said that I am also not denying that it went on either... not that I am condoning anyones actions but I ask this why is it not ok for some people to salute each other in this fashion? It is because of the racist history that all our collective memories serve up. Here is another question why is it then ok for the Czolgosz or NEFAC to use the red star or the hammer and sickle as logos? Aren’t these symbols just as offensive to the millions who also died as a result of soviet revolutions in Russia and other eastern bloc countries? Did we forget the mass extermination of Georgians and Albanians at the hands of communist lead revolts?



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 3:38pm
Josh_Martin said:
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Hooker said:
but the only ones I've been to had dudes sig heiling eachother and shit. It's not that much of a suprise people got paranoid.


*ding ding*

Hooker seems to be one of the few others in this thread with an ounce of intelligence.



Way to defend free speech.
Tipper Gore appreciates your efforts though.





I'm not defending or condoning. I'm just saying that if you want to walk around mimicking movements that the average person equates with the Nazi regime, be prepared for people to get paranoid.

"but they're just proud to be white"

well then they're retarded. Just like Puerto Ricans are proud to be Puerto Rican and wear huge airbrushed Puerto Rican flag sleeveless shirts with no sides so you can see their entire torso.

Just like dipshits who get the fighting Irish guy tattooed on his shin in highschool.

Just like the black dude who struts around in a shirt that says "I'm proud to be black".

No one cares where your great grandfather grew up. You, just like the rest of us are worthless assholes. Get into it.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jan 25,2005 3:38pm
josh martin has contributed more to MA metal than almost anyone i can think of.



toggletoggle post by Ninkaszi187   at Jan 25,2005 3:39pm
ok, where do all these kids that shut helvete down hang out?



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:39pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
I'm in no way involved with NEFAC, but I'm glad to see you're angry enough to want to hurt people. You'll really help the situation then.

You are the solution to this. Kill yourself and you will have helped contribute to making the scene a better place.


I don't have to be angry to want to hurt people. Especially stupid people like you.

Your defending NEFAC. An organization that acts as the right hand of the PMRC in the name of anti-racist action. Brilliant side you chose there kiddo.




toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:42pm
Ninkaszi187 said:
ok, where do all these kids that shut helvete down hang out?


The Ramrod?




toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 3:42pm
yeah, clearly you're the brilliant one here.

^see above posts^



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:44pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
yeah, clearly you're the brilliant one here.

^see above posts^


Thanks, seeing as you can't refute one thing I've said.
Keep it up though. It helps when normal people see how stupid people like you really are.

Josh defends free speech.
Jimmy censors those who don't agree with him.

Winner?






toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 3:46pm
Go down to downtown crossing and sig heil. Then just mumble something about Tipper Gore to get painlessly yourself out of the shit storm. It's fun. I used to do it when I was bored on Friday nights.




toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 25,2005 3:46pm
This whole thing is retarded. If anybody knew ANYTHING about Helveteboston, they would know that it is NOT a "white power" thing or whatever the fuck the think it is. EVERYBODY that comes in to Helvete is treated with respect. Fucking cocks haven't heard the last of Helvete.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:47pm
Hooker said:
Go down to downtown crossing and sig heil. Then just mumble something about Tipper Gore to get painlessly yourself out of the shit storm. It's fun. I used to do it when I was bored on Friday nights.



Why would I do that?



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 3:47pm
of course a racist induvidual is going to defend free speech.

I support free speech, just not your speech. Make sense? probably not to you.



toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 3:49pm
dude youre an idiot. shut the fuck up.



toggletoggle post by Ninkaszi187   at Jan 25,2005 3:49pm
this is all just bullshit. poser punk kids trying to feel like a part of something. something "important".

falcifer is one of the founders of helvete. he is not aryan like he said. obviously helvete is not some white power organization if so. CAN YOU RETARDED PC PUNKS UNDERSTAND THAT? A SPANISH GUY HELPS HOST HELVETE!!!! DERRRRRRR!!!!! i have seen all kinds people at helvete from metal heads, punks, and hardcore guys. total fucking bullshit.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 25,2005 3:49pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:

If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything.


CNV? said:
Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not.

Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC.


Wow, as an anarcho-libertarian I didn't even know that one of the central tenets of anarchism was censorship. I always thought it was a central tenet of having severe brain damage. Perhaps the NEFAC should drop the A.

Aren't you supposed to be fighting for freedom of expression because our horrible AmeriKKKan society imposes so much censorship on you? And isn't CNV in line with NEFAC when he says that AmeriKKKa is in the wrong when it spends all of its capitalist blood money on the illegal state of Israel.

I'm sure most of the NEFAC members' mommy and daddy drove an Audi,BMW, Mercedes, or Volkswagen at one point, does that make them Nazis? Does that mean they forced the Jews to build the engines in their 740i's and CLK's? Because that's the logic NEFAC is using to shut down Helvete. Severely impaired mental functions appear to be a recurring theme with the NEFAC.

And what if NEFAC were to try to shut down Helvete? Would there be violence? Would you and your Newton Anarchy Crew attack people who just want to listen to music they enjoy? Isn't threatening a club and promoter illegal? Isn't that an extremely fascist course of action?



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 25,2005 3:49pm
The funny thing is I NOT white, post there all the time.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:51pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
of course a racist induvidual is going to defend free speech.

I support free speech, just not your speech. Make sense? probably not to you.


It makes sense, because you obviously don't understand the concept of free speech. The whole point of free speech is to defend unpopular speech.
Jeez this year's crop of college bozo's is fucking dumb.
Keep putting your foot in your mouth and proving my point though.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 3:57pm
I hope whatever college that accpeted this idiot Jimmy offers a crash course on the ACLU. This kid has a lot to learn.



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 3:58pm
Josh, you lost a long time ago.



toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 4:01pm
no he didnt you moron. josh owns you bitch.



toggletoggle post by Todd(bombshelter) at Jan 25,2005 4:01pm
We never had any problems with supposed "White Power "Bands, actually there are a few that play here regularly and bring the biggest crowds,Serge don't give two shits what you are about as long as the club has people in it and there are relatively little problems.That said, I Think it is stupid to cancel a show because of rumors,suggestions and bad vibes



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 25,2005 4:02pm
Shut up jimmy and sing up already. The only thing that needs to be said is Helveteboston is NOT white power and these "punks" should be shat upon.


HAIL METAL!



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 4:03pm
Christraper said:
no he didnt you moron. josh owns you bitch.


yeah yeah, hopefully you don't choke on that dick that's in your mouth.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 25,2005 4:03pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:<<
If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything.>>

CNV? said:<<Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not.

Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC.>>

Wow, as an anarcho-libertarian I didn't even know that one of the central tenets of anarchism was censorship. I always thought it was a central tenet of having severe brain damage. Perhaps the NEFAC should drop the A.

Aren't you supposed to be fighting for freedom of expression because our horrible AmeriKKKan society imposes so much censorship on you? And isn't CNV in line with NEFAC when he says that AmeriKKKa is in the wrong when it spends all of its capitalist blood money on the illegal state of Israel.

I'm sure most of the NEFAC members' mommy and daddy drove an Audi,BMW, Mercedes, or Volkswagen at one point, does that make them Nazis? Does that mean they forced the Jews to build the engines in their 740i's and CLK's? Because that's the logic NEFAC is using to shut down Helvete. Severely impaired mental functions appear to be a recurring theme with the NEFAC.

And what if NEFAC were to try to shut down Helvete? Would there be violence? Would you and your Newton Anarchy Crew attack people who just want to listen to music they enjoy? Isn't threatening a club and promoter illegal? Isn't that an extremely fascist course of action?



toggletoggle post by coldnorthernvengeance  at Jan 25,2005 4:03pm
CNV? said:
"post by coldnorthernvengeance at Oct 30,2004 12:29pm
Angry Aryans too white for you
Our message is clear
and drives you to kill
getting away with murder is not hard to do
Break in their house
Poison all their food

Filthy white bitch
race traitor whore
faggots with aids
stalking out your kids
shylock jew with beady little eyes
Do it Now!
They've got to DIE!!!!

from Angry Aryan "Too White for You""



To the piece of shit who tried to make us look we wrote these lyrics FUCK OFF!!! Angry Aryans wrote the lyrics to this song and someone was asking about them on this particular thread. I don't take their lyrics seriously.




toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 4:05pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Christraper said:
no he didnt you moron. josh owns you bitch.


yeah yeah, hopefully you don't choke on that dick that's in your mouth.


keep your fantasies to yourself fagmo.

Theres a veritable encyclopedia of information flying at you from every which way that proves what a fucking moron you are yet all you have to say to back yourself up is "my point is made, read my posts" " your wrong im right" "look at me! im fighting for a cause! look at me look at me!"





toggletoggle post by mOe at Jan 25,2005 4:06pm
Black Metal and Racism are...yup, you guessed it...for Fags



toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 4:07pm
anonymous posts are for....yep you guessed it.....anonymous bitches



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 4:08pm
swamplorddvm said:
Shut up jimmy and sing up already. The only thing that needs to be said is Helveteboston is NOT white power and these "punks" should be shat upon.


HAIL METAL!


The problem is not punks, The problem is not free speech, The problem is not nefac.

The problem is racism, and clearly it exists within HELVETE. It's all your fault for letting these 'punks' who think they are from norway into your scene. Blame yourselves, it has come back to bite you in the ass.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 25,2005 4:08pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:<<
If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything.>>

CNV? said:<<Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not.

Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC.>>

Wow, as an anarcho-libertarian I didn't even know that one of the central tenets of anarchism was censorship. I always thought it was a central tenet of having severe brain damage. Perhaps the NEFAC should drop the A.

Aren't you supposed to be fighting for freedom of expression because our horrible AmeriKKKan society imposes so much censorship on you? And isn't CNV in line with NEFAC when he says that AmeriKKKa is in the wrong when it spends all of its capitalist blood money on the illegal state of Israel.

I'm sure most of the NEFAC members' mommy and daddy drove an Audi,BMW, Mercedes, or Volkswagen at one point, does that make them Nazis? Does that mean they forced the Jews to build the engines in their 740i's and CLK's? Because that's the logic NEFAC is using to shut down Helvete. Severely impaired mental functions appear to be a recurring theme with the NEFAC.

And what if NEFAC were to try to shut down Helvete? Would there be violence? Would you and your Newton Anarchy Crew attack people who just want to listen to music they enjoy? Isn't threatening a club and promoter illegal? Isn't that an extremely fascist course of action?



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 4:08pm
but...f... free speech. a....



toggletoggle post by mOe at Jan 25,2005 4:09pm
I'm not annonymous, my name's right there i'm mOe..i just dont feel like registering is all that important



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 4:09pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Christraper said:
no he didnt you moron. josh owns you bitch.


yeah yeah, hopefully you don't choke on that dick that's in your mouth.


Woah, that sounded homophobic. I'm going to turn you in to the Gestapo, uh, I mean NEFAC.



toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 4:09pm
why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 4:10pm
Christraper said:
anonymous posts are for....yep you guessed it.....anonymous bitches


moe isn't anonymous.



toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 4:12pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Christraper said:
anonymous posts are for....yep you guessed it.....anonymous bitches


moe isn't anonymous.


what are you racist or something?



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 4:13pm
Christraper said:
why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch


You're obviously a brainwashed little 17 year old who's role model is Josh Fucking Martin.



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 25,2005 4:14pm
mOe said:
Black Metal and Racism are...yup, you guessed it...for Fags


Listen up fuck face. I am Italian Spanish and Incan. NOT very white huh? Yet I'm (and many others) getting fucked over cause abunch of ass-wipes dicided that the history of Black Metal dictates OUR behavior and views.

Are German-american sites evil too? We all know how bumpy their history was.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 25,2005 4:14pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:<<
If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything.>>

CNV? said:<<Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not.

Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC.>>

Wow, as an anarcho-libertarian I didn't even know that one of the central tenets of anarchism was censorship. I always thought it was a central tenet of having severe brain damage. Perhaps the NEFAC should drop the A.

Aren't you supposed to be fighting for freedom of expression because our horrible AmeriKKKan society imposes so much censorship on you? And isn't CNV in line with NEFAC when he says that AmeriKKKa is in the wrong when it spends all of its capitalist blood money on the illegal state of Israel.

I'm sure most of the NEFAC members' mommy and daddy drove an Audi,BMW, Mercedes, or Volkswagen at one point, does that make them Nazis? Does that mean they forced the Jews to build the engines in their 740i's and CLK's? Because that's the logic NEFAC is using to shut down Helvete. Severely impaired mental functions appear to be a recurring theme with the NEFAC.

And what if NEFAC were to try to shut down Helvete? Would there be violence? Would you and your Newton Anarchy Crew attack people who just want to listen to music they enjoy? Isn't threatening a club and promoter illegal? Isn't that an extremely fascist course of action?



toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 4:14pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Christraper said:
why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch


You're obviously a brainwashed little 17 year old who's role model is Josh Fucking Martin.


oh yea OBVIOUSLY! ive never even met josh. i just think youre retarded.




toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 4:16pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
swamplorddvm said:
Shut up jimmy and sing up already. The only thing that needs to be said is Helveteboston is NOT white power and these "punks" should be shat upon.


HAIL METAL!


The problem is not punks, The problem is not free speech, The problem is not nefac.

The problem is racism, and clearly it exists within HELVETE. It's all your fault for letting these 'punks' who think they are from norway into your scene. Blame yourselves, it has come back to bite you in the ass.


Just because some dumbass, bored rich kid says its a problem, doesn't make it so.
It wasn't a problem for anyone who ever attended Helvete no matter what color they were. This is America and you have the right to hate who you want.





toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 4:17pm
Christraper said:
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Christraper said:
why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch


You're obviously a brainwashed little 17 year old who's role model is Josh Fucking Martin.


oh yea OBVIOUSLY! ive never even met josh. i just think youre retarded.



Didn't I meet you at that Cannibal Corpse show. Weren't you with me when I caught those two chicks pissing behind the bar across from the Palladium?

Not that you know what my dick tastes like or anything else Jimmy is dreaming about.




toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 4:18pm
swamplorddvm said:


Listen up fuck face. I am Italian Spanish and Incan. NOT very white huh? Yet I'm (and many others) getting fucked over cause abunch of ass-wipes dicided that the history of Black Metal dictates OUR behavior and views.

Are German-american sites evil too? We all know how bumpy their history was.


It's not you...thank CNV, Josh Martin, Christraper and people like them for reflecting their beliefs onto you and everyone else present at Helvete.



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 25,2005 4:18pm
Racism exist EVRYwhere but Helvete is NOT a white site. So fuck off.



toggletoggle post by anarchist metalhead at Jan 25,2005 4:18pm
I'm a huge fan of underground metal (black metal, viking, pagan, death, grindcore), but not upset to see an event that promotes white power bullshit get shut down (oh yeah, and you might want to check your facts on which group actually shut you down). Can't imagine O'Briens would be against metal nights in the future. They'll probably just not work with this specific group of nazi apologisists.



toggletoggle post by Christraper at Jan 25,2005 4:19pm
Josh_Martin said:
Christraper said:
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Christraper said:
why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch


You're obviously a brainwashed little 17 year old who's role model is Josh Fucking Martin.


oh yea OBVIOUSLY! ive never even met josh. i just think youre retarded.



Didn't I meet you at that Cannibal Corpse show. Weren't you with me when I caught those two chicks pissing behind the bar across from the Palladium?

Not that you know what my dick tastes like or anything else Jimmy is dreaming about.


no i definitely wouldve remembered that. maybe it was my drummer.




toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 4:19pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
Christraper said:
why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch


You're obviously a brainwashed little 17 year old who's role model is Josh Fucking Martin.


That's funny, coming from a brainwashed 18 year old who's role model is an organization that censors peoples music and beliefs.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 25,2005 4:20pm
the funniest thing is that only crackers posted in this thread until m0e came along.
ya's all just a bunchah wack ass crackahs.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 25,2005 4:20pm
the funniest thing is that I once got tipper gore to do a radio promo for my station.
it was, priceless.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 4:22pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
swamplorddvm said:


Listen up fuck face. I am Italian Spanish and Incan. NOT very white huh? Yet I'm (and many others) getting fucked over cause abunch of ass-wipes dicided that the history of Black Metal dictates OUR behavior and views.

Are German-american sites evil too? We all know how bumpy their history was.


It's not you...thank CNV, Josh Martin, Christraper and people like them for reflecting their beliefs onto you and everyone else present at Helvete.


For the record, I never went to Helvete and I can count the number of black metal bands I like on one hand.

I just hate censorship. I lived through the Ed Meese/Jerry Falwell/Tipper Gore 80's and this shit is not a joke to me.







toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 25,2005 4:26pm
Josh_Martin said:
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
swamplorddvm said:


Listen up fuck face. I am Italian Spanish and Incan. NOT very white huh? Yet I'm (and many others) getting fucked over cause abunch of ass-wipes dicided that the history of Black Metal dictates OUR behavior and views.

Are German-american sites evil too? We all know how bumpy their history was.


It's not you...thank CNV, Josh Martin, Christraper and people like them for reflecting their beliefs onto you and everyone else present at Helvete.


For the record, I never went to Helvete and I can count the number of black metal bands I like on one hand.

I just hate censorship. I lived through the Ed Meese/Jerry Falwell/Tipper Gore 80's and this shit is not a joke to me.







It is extremely sad when bands find themselves deprived of venues to play at because a handful of whack jobs decide they don't like what they are saying , even if these fucface censors don't even know what that is.
Its about artistic expression and free speech




toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 25,2005 4:26pm
the weasels have it down man, it's a whole new age!
who will babysit the babysitter?
THE POWER OF LARD!



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 4:28pm
This is a perfect example of how the political spectrum is a circle. The more left you go, the closer you get to the right.
The ultra-left now uses the same tactics that the religious right used in the 80's. Spreading lies about those with differing points of view and intimidating businesses that don't have the money to defend themselves.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 4:29pm
the_reverend said:
the weasels have it down man, it's a whole new age!
who will babysit the babysitter?
THE POWER OF LARD!


Which would you prefer, a computer or a gun?
The sharks outlived the dinosaurs you know.



toggletoggle post by mOe at Jan 25,2005 4:30pm
haha, i like you a lot aaron



toggletoggle post by blue nli at Jan 25,2005 4:31pm
hahahahahahahahah



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Notanonymous at Jan 25,2005 4:34pm
mOe said:
haha, i like you a lot aaron


Mr. Martin has never met you, but he hates you already.
He claims to be brilliant you know?



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 4:41pm
oh fuck this bullshit, I give up

talk to the scrotum



toggletoggle post by Grimly Fiendish at Jan 25,2005 4:44pm
Isn't O'briens the one censoring people since it was there decision to shut down the event?



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 4:45pm
Jimmy Notanonymous said:
mOe said:
haha, i like you a lot aaron


Mr. Martin has never met you, but he hates you already.
He claims to be brilliant you know?


I'm not Aaron. Your reading comprehension is just as poor as your politics.

I never claimed to be brilliant, I just come off that way when arguing with you.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 4:47pm
Grimly Fiendish said:
Isn't O'briens the one censoring people since it was there decision to shut down the event?


They fell for the bullshit that NEFAC fed them. OBriens deserves some slack though. They've done a lot of good in the past.
NEFAC has never done anything except make dumb college kids think they're changing the world.




toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 4:48pm
I wish "Jimmy" would stop posting annonymously.
Too much of a pussy to register.
Way to stand for your convictions.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jan 25,2005 5:03pm
"NEFAC" didn't feed anybody any bullshit.

Northeast Antifascists (overlapping membership, but still) let a few people know that one of the organizers was posting on white power boards, describing Helvete as an NSBM night, and inviting nazis--and started asking around about whether it was true. That organizer ended up approaching us, owning up to his politics, but telling us that that his politics weren't Helvete's.

That was it.

Everything else--the "blockade," NEFAC, Czolgosz, ARA, whatever--was 100% rumor mill generation. This is totally insane. Hell, some people in NEFAC are pissed off at us for getting a BM night shut down.

Nobody "censored" anybody here. And it may be a reversible misunderstanding if everyone keeps a cool head.



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 5:14pm
Josh_Martin said:
I wish "Jimmy" would stop posting annonymously.
Too much of a pussy to register.
Way to stand for your convictions.



hahaha




toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 25,2005 5:21pm
anonymous said:
And it may be a reversible misunderstanding if everyone keeps a cool head.


Fine, you have one week to fix it. Otherwise its clobberin time.

Next time, mind your own fucking business please. No one here ever gave you any shit for your dumbass communist beliefs.






toggletoggle post by damnose   at Jan 25,2005 5:23pm
this just reeks of ignorance and hypocrisy. You can't marry an idea to a kind of music. That's just as stupid as saying "hey, some punk and hardcore bands are white power, so we should lobby for the cancellation of punk and hardcore shows."

I don't see any difference. Punishing the group for the "sins" of a few never makes sense; in fact, it's the same kind of mentality that leads to racism, sexism, homophobia and many other things the NEFAC stands against. It's ridiculous that someone claimed we have to "solve the problem of racism within our own community." Isn't that like a city council giving the shaft to black neighborhoods because they haven't "solved the problem of crime" within their own community?

stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid stupid. I could go on about how ridiculous this is, but there's really nothing to add. And I agree with NEFAC on a lot of things, but many of their ilk are just hypocrites. This summer I lived in a house full of "anarchist" punks; they were nice people and all, but rarely did the dishes (great sense of community there), left huge messes in the backyard after parties (way to be environmentally friendly), and eventually got everyone evicted. Oh, and they all had more money than I did. The Man sure was making life tough for them.



toggletoggle post by anarchist metalhead at Jan 25,2005 5:28pm
fix it? why should anyone "fix" what this asshole promoter on himself? he's the dumb fuck that took a good metal night and started injecting his own white power bullshit into it, and inviting NSBM bands. fuck him. hopefully some other metal fans will start up a new night, free of nazi crap, and we can actually have something of a metal scene in this town. it's not that hard to host a night once a month. take a cue from the punx: diy.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 25,2005 5:31pm
pitty the poor trainer in the stable when the racehorse farts
poison oak really is the aphrodisiac of the gods.
next time we have sex,
just pretend that I'm Ed Meese
the weasels have it down, man
it's a whole new age



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 5:32pm
I remember kids that used to carve anarchy signs into the bleachers and shit in 7th grade. They all had dirt staches and no fathers. They were awesome.



toggletoggle post by Ninkaszi187   at Jan 25,2005 5:34pm
anarchist metalhead said:
fix it? why should anyone "fix" what this asshole promoter on himself? he's the dumb fuck that took a good metal night and started injecting his own white power bullshit into it, and inviting NSBM bands. fuck him. hopefully some other metal fans will start up a new night, free of nazi crap, and we can actually have something of a metal scene in this town. it's not that hard to host a night once a month. take a cue from the punx: diy.


what are you talking about? what promoter did this? which NSBM bands have played helvete?



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 25,2005 5:34pm
the "punx" can eat my shit.

served as multiculturally as I can dump it out.

the "punx" ruin everything that's good with their "we're so pc we're going to hurt people and destroy things that matter to people besides ourselves".


I love how they always hurt someone or do something that causes a lot of pain for other people, then slap on their woefully ignorant tells of "justice". "Anarchist metalhead", take a look in the mirror. When you hurt someone else, no matter what your beliefs, you are hurting another human.

Go rape someone in the name of justice again, jerk. How's it feel to be insulted?



toggletoggle post by dave form NEFAC at Jan 25,2005 5:37pm
OK OK
heres a little food for thought, I\'m a NEFAC member from montreal. I decided to check this site out cause I heard from a friend in Boston that NEFAC was gettin slagged.

For the record I\'m not a collage student, or peace punk, I Love metal, I\'m proud of my European heritage and I hate to see people get there scene shut down...

but, it wasn\'t NEFAC who shut it down(I heard about it after the fact), It was Northeast Antifachist(A group I also support). If people who are proud of there heritige would stand up to fucking wankers who are fucking racist(or homaphobic for that matter) others wouldn\'t have to step in and take care of buisness.

Its not fuckin oK for nazis(or homephobes) to hang out and have a good time without being confronted because they end up hurting people. They recruit, even if that means just making their views somewhat acceptable in a music scene, and that spreads. We used to have a huge Nazi/white power problem in montreal, lots of people got fucked up(including young children who happened to be the wrong color in the wrong neigborhood) and the only way it stopped was for people to stop tolorating it and shutting everything they did down. People who really care about freedom and equality can't afford to wait and see if people who seem to tolerate these ideas will get around to doing something about it when it gets out of controll.

I hope you guys can seen this as an unfortunate, and possibly misshandled on all sides, learning experience and re organize the scene with no tolerance for racism, and don't call each other dicks or faggs to try and prove how manly you are, it come across to me more like insecurity.

In closing metal rules, pride in your heritage is also ok if it dosn't get mixed up in intolerance and my ancient god has got a bigger hammer than your ancient god bullshit...

Dave, as not anonymous as i can be from another city

PS as ANARCHIST communists we don't beleive in a state, we were infact the only people who took a really principled stand throughout history against marxism(not just "fuck commies" cause they wanna take our money away, yep you guessed it most NEFAC members are working class and proud!)



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 25,2005 5:39pm
It rubs me the wrong way when kids do harmful shit in the name of justice.

I wish the "punx" in boston would grow up.

How many more people / places / communities need to get shit on cause some punk labels it as not-DIY / not-multicultural / etc etc?

Half the time they work for what they are against. I have seen more punks do fucked up, hateful, hurtful, destructive things then most of the people the oppress.

I hate to be so pissed off but I mean what the fuck...It's a little ridiculous.


UP THE PUNX!



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jan 25,2005 5:42pm edited Jan 25,2005 5:43pm
i left the punk scene for those reasons, thanks nick, least someones got a head on thier shoulders



toggletoggle post by anarchist metalhead at Jan 25,2005 5:42pm
so, exactly who did I hurt? i posted my opinion on a message board. sorry if you feel "raped" by my opinion. really, i hope my two or three offending sentences are the worst horror you have to endure this week.



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 5:43pm
If sitting at the pit in Harvard square all day, smelling like taco meat and begging for change means revolution, consider me Nathan Fucking Hale.



-some overtly political numbnuts.



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 25,2005 5:44pm
dave from NEFAC - you make a good point, but the end doesn't justify the means a lot of the time. How can we teach tolerance by being intolerant? How can we teach diversity by stamping out everything that doesn't fit our perspectives? You say that eliminating the nazi / white power groups in your area did a good thing, but I question what must have gone on to make that happen. Isn't elimination of ANY culture / community counter productive to diversity?



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jan 25,2005 5:44pm
hooker, dont forget drinking cider and scaring the working class fellows that try and walk by you to get on the train



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 25,2005 5:46pm
I hope you guys can seen this as an unfortunate, and possibly misshandled on all sides, learning experience and re organize the scene with no tolerance for racism, and don't call each other dicks or faggs to try and prove how manly you are, it come across to me more like insecurity.


This was not misshandled on all sides, it was misshandled on one side. There wasn't racism in the scene as numerous posters have already posted. The scene does not need to be re organized, Helvete's closing was the product of an ignorant group of PC watchdogs from outside the scene.






toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jan 25,2005 5:48pm
...excuse me kids... shouldnt you be burning down nike town?



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 5:49pm
well, according to dave NEFAC and anarchist metalhead, it's just going to have to be tough binnies for us. We've been put in our place, nazis and homophobes that we are. Christ.



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jan 25,2005 5:49pm
i remember seeing aus rotten one time and the dude dropped a pack of marlboros while he was playing... in that senario it was the funniest thing ive ever seen



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 5:50pm
Dude. Couple nights ago, me and so and so totally smashed some of the lights out of Old Navy's store front sign. It was awesome. Oh I'm sorry. I don't drink any large brand name sodas. Do you have anything local?

-some kid from that band the Goonies years ago



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jan 25,2005 5:50pm
hey lita, do you have that skrewdriver collection i let you borrow? i need some rally songs



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jan 25,2005 5:51pm
Hooker said:
Dude. Couple nights ago, me and so and so totally smashed some of the lights out of Old Navy's store front sign. It was awesome. Oh I'm sorry. I don't drink any large brand name sodas. Do you have anything local?

-some kid from that band the Goonies years ago


i used to hang out with a few of those kids... like 5 years ago



toggletoggle post by dave form NEFAC at Jan 25,2005 5:54pm
OK for starters, NEFAC did abosoltuely nothing,and I mean nothing. Second Northeast Antifachist olooked into rumers of white power organizing, the promoter who had infact posted on white power sites, advertising the night as such came forward to p[eople in NA with his white power politics asked them not to do anything because his politics didn't represent the scene. In the end Northeaster antifachist didn't do anything other than tell this story to a few people. Then the club shut it down.

I think your folling yourselves if you think any leftist group in the US is strong enought to shut anything down by doing nothing...
If all it took was a roomers from some "commies" to shut shit down the revolution would be over and done with now...



toggletoggle post by anarchist metalhead at Jan 25,2005 5:55pm
wait, so people are whining about Niketown getting smashed up and the need to "embrace diversity of cultures... even nazis" and the anarchists are getting called pc liberals?



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 5:55pm
Yeah I did a few times. Some of them were just weird. I recently saw one of them at this march downtown just before elections.



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jan 25,2005 5:56pm
theres only one canadian i believe on this website



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jan 25,2005 5:57pm
anarchist metalhead said:
wait, so people are whining about Niketown getting smashed up and the need to "embrace diversity of cultures... even nazis" and the anarchists are getting called pc liberals?


dont listen to my ex-punk niketown bullshit, im being a smart ass, pick up on that



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 25,2005 5:59pm
National Socialist Black Metal isn't something you can learn by reading a book or sitting in a classroom. It's not something you can teach your friends or parents who don't know what it is. NSBM is a way of life, NSBM is OUR way of life.



toggletoggle post by Bulldog45 at Jan 25,2005 5:59pm
I drink at O'Briens all the time. I would guess that your problem might be that some of the bouncers and staff are pretty fuckin cool and have no tolerance for nazi scum like CNV in their place. Can you blame them?



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 5:59pm
Everone involved or cares please read the following letter from the northeast antifacist this explains a lot and I for one hope it starts to lend itself to help stop what has started. I for one let my emotions get away from myself (it happens when something you work very hard gets shut down by the actions of a few). I am guity of this, but if we work together and calm down I think everything will eventually be ok.

We have a longer public statement coming out on this whole mess soon
>but, since you came to us directly and were clearly willing to
>participate in a dialogue, we have to let you know:
>
>1) we did NOT go behind your back after you talked with us.
>
>2) we did NOT put out any call for a "blockade," nor any public
>action, and have no idea where that particular rumor started.
>
>3) after you contacted us directly and owned up to your politics, we
>came to an internal group consensus to resolve these issues through
>dialogue with various parties involved.
>
>4) we had NO intention to have Helvete as a whole canceled,
>especially after it was confirmed that politics aren't (or don't
>have to be) a part of the night.
>
>5) "The lead singer from Czolgosz" is NOT currently a part of
>Northeast Antifascists, and has not been for years. We contacted
>him, as someone we knew with associations throughout the scene, to
>ASK AROUND about what was up with Helvete. He came back to us
>confirming that Helvete is NOT an NSBM night (despite how YOU
>advertised it on the Panzerfaust forum), and reminded us that there
>was no reason to do anything rash about it. We agreed. We heard the
>same from other sources too.
>
>People are saying some things about "retaliation" against him
>specifically, which is completely absurd because he had absolutely
>nothing to do with our investigation and especially nothing to do
>with Helvete getting the plug pulled. Please let people know (we see
>the Helvete forum is members-only, feel free to share this email
>there) that this guy had nothing to do with creating this
>misunderstanding.
>
>6) While we're at it, people are also talking about "retaliation"
>against NEFAC. We're not a part of NEFAC-Boston, though there's
>overlapping membership; NEFAC-Boston folks outside our group had no
>knowledge whatsoever of any of this shit.
>
>You came to us explaining that our political beef was with you, not
>Helvete, and we took your word for it. Now we're coming to you
>saying that (for starters) your beef is with us, not with NEFAC, and
>especially not with any members of Czolgosz. We understand that
>everybody is all pissed off, but rest assured that if everyone stays
>calm and refrains from doing stupid things based on rumors, we may
>be able to approach O'Brien's management and discuss with them how
>this misunderstanding happened.
>
>MJ



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 25,2005 6:02pm
Who gives them the authority to declare your politics wrong, Falcifier?
Why do you have to "own up" to holding those views?

NEAF get the fuck out of our scene.



toggletoggle post by Bradness at Jan 25,2005 6:04pm
possible homersexual



toggletoggle post by dave form NEFAC at Jan 25,2005 6:07pm
The canadian "outsider" has left the building

hope you get your night back

Think about what I said about racism and homophobia



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 6:08pm
Nobody has any right to call my politics wrong. I have made peace with myself and know where I stand in life and what exactly leads my decisions that are made on a daily basis. I am simply stating I let my emotions get away from me and am trying very hard to fix what was a small but strong metal night.



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 25,2005 6:10pm
By the way I posted that letter second hand the "beef" they are describing is with someone else and not me or Helvete personally. Context is evrything. Sorry for the confusion.



toggletoggle post by coldnorthernvengeance  at Jan 25,2005 6:13pm
Bulldog45 said:
I drink at O'Briens all the time. I would guess that your problem might be that some of the bouncers and staff are pretty fuckin cool and have no tolerance for nazi scum like CNV in their place. Can you blame them?



WE ARE NOT A FUCKING NAZI BAND!!!!! This whole situation is fucking blown out of proportion.



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jan 25,2005 6:18pm



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 25,2005 6:22pm
ooooh.... it wasn't the Judean People's Front, it was the People's Front of Judean!



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jan 25,2005 6:26pm
for the record, i laugh at the false belief that anarchy could or would possibly even exhist. its an immature mentality that chaos and misled sub-culture could devise a routine for even a daily dependance. no roads, no laws, no goverment or state... come on guys, lets be serious... yea, we'll overide the empowered forces so that... we can just be taken over by the next closest when our "anarchist" society has no strength or organisation to fend them off. Grow up, your not 13 and hot topics closed, get a fuckin job, and realise the depth of a true reality you "strive" for...



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 25,2005 6:29pm edited Jan 25,2005 6:30pm
the_reverend said:
ooooh.... it wasn't the Judean People's Front, it was the People's Front of Judean!


It thought we were the Popular Front.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 25,2005 6:29pm
Wait, I thought we were fighting the National Front.



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 6:36pm
So wait... where's the Mutant Liberation Front come into play?



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 25,2005 6:36pm
I heard that Mutant League Football was on for this weekend.



toggletoggle post by succubus on call at Jan 25,2005 6:42pm
wow..i read just about everything..
damn is this site popular..

heh

on a serious note ...racism sucks and like it or not a few bad apples set a bad example..(from posts i read about people maknig gestures and honestly, i had heard that before as well, and from the info in the 2nd letter posted)

i think it's awesome that falcifer posted the letters and tried to clear everything up



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jan 25,2005 6:43pm
full frontal mutilation?



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 6:44pm


There's gonna be a cold front coming through this weekend. Worse than the last. Seems the damn Commies are blasting frigid, red air all over the northeast with a contraption known as the great colderator. Back to you, Fran.



toggletoggle post by BestialOnslaught  at Jan 25,2005 6:46pm
Who the fuck are these retards to tell us what to tolerate in OUR scene? Cathach is a great guy and a great friend. I don't support his beliefs, but I support Helvete wholeheartedly and I don't think anyone who has spoken against the event has actually been. Everyone who has been has neutral feedback at the very worst, but honestly, you're just a total pussy if you get all up in arms about seeing some drunk fucks joking around by throwing Roman salutes. I think Jimmynotanonymous, anarchistmetalhead and Dave from NEFAC need a lesson in minding their own business. Since when did their ideals become something that we should all strive for? Wow, you don't tolerate racism in any form, good for you...

Some of us, like the Helvete promoters and myself listen to bands on both the right and left sides of the political spectrum and bands on both the white and black side of the ethnic spectrum - this "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" attitude towards racism is extremely flawed, in two ways. First of all, there is no black and white when it comes to culpability, unless you are of a simple, unevolved mindset, such as those that caused things like the Spanish Inquisition, and yes, the Jewish Holocaust. Secondly, while I personally find racism to be incorrect on an intellectual level and some elements of racism (such as racial violence and complete prejudice) wrong on a personal moral level, I still acknowledge that there is no universal right or wrong to ANYTHING. When you moralize to us, it is strictly on the basis of your own beliefs and your own community's values, yet you cannot offer proof that this is universally wrong/immoral. There is no universal proof that anything is right or wrong, and all you can offer for "proof" is past history of people in certain scenes, aka stereotyping, guilt by association, etc. How is that any different from racism?

By the way, the elements of "racism"/"racialism"/race-related thinking I don't find "wrong" on a personal level? Humor and color/race conciousness. I don't see how anyone could be offended by these. Taste in humor is subjective and as entertainment, in my eyes, totally free from moral judgement. And even the most anti-racist, PC, hippie retard is still concious of the physical differences between different ethnic groups. They will still likely refer to someone as "the black person" (or "African-American person" or whatever - I've even heard non-American blacks referred to as African-Americans, it's pathetic), when pointing out someone in a crowd, but will more likely refer to a white person's features or a clothing article. It is impossible, unless you are blind and deaf to remove all conciousness of race from the mind, and the people that try to deny/suppress this are defying their own nature.



toggletoggle post by The Terminator at Jan 25,2005 7:24pm
LOL. Half these rumor-starting infantiles dont even know what or where the swastika came from or what it means.

If you guys start to worry about what every mush brain thinks, your in for many battles. Dont yap with people like this. Ignore them.

Sometimes people have to be dealt with in the harshest possible manner. Sometimes people need to be corrected.

Cold Northern Vengeance sings about old European ways, beliefs, and culture. Any peabrain, juvenile fool who interprets this as "racist" etc., needs to be taken to the motherland and executed.

This organized Leftist group that is being spoken of that supposedly got this show cancelled, is using libel, slander, and defamation of character to achieve its goal. This is ILLEGAL. Any organized group using libel to strongarm somebody into cancelling a show is performing illegal acts and needs to be reported, and I would promptly contact a local attorney to entertain the idea of filing a claim against said group. You will have an even better case if your band is part, or all, of your personal income. At that point, the claim would come to include lose of wages, and you might be able to chalk up mental distress as well (caused by not being able to pay your bills etc.).




toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 7:26pm
yeah great the swastika started out as a symbol of peace and all that shit. we know.

wear it around. see how people on the street react.



toggletoggle post by BestialOnslaught  at Jan 25,2005 7:31pm
Hooker said:
yeah great the swastika started out as a symbol of peace and all that shit. we know.

wear it around. see how people on the street react.


Why advocate not having a backbone? Yes, the smart thing to do to ensure your own survival is to not go out of your way to invite harrassment, but giving moral authority to the "people on the street" is sheer spinelessness.



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 7:33pm
Giving moral authority? I'm not giving shit to anyone.



toggletoggle post by BestialOnslaught  at Jan 25,2005 7:45pm
Then why worry about offending people with a shirt or patch?



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jan 25,2005 7:57pm

clearly some evil and racist people.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 25,2005 8:00pm
National Socialist KENO



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 8:00pm
I'm not. If I believed in that shit, I'd most likely wear it. I just don't see the need to resurrect symbols and mannerisms like the swastika and the sig heil salute. It just does more harm than good. No matter what their origins may have been, they do more harm than good.



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jan 25,2005 8:09pm
Hooker said:
I'm not. If I believed in that shit, I'd most likely wear it. I just don't see the need to resurrect symbols and mannerisms like the swastika and the sig heil salute. It just does more harm than good. No matter what their origins may have been, they do more harm than good.


so when i took a picture with Crisis's gtr player, who just happens to be black and was wearing a shirt that said vote Republican and had a swastika on it. are you saying he was causing harm ?

also, you know, you have something in your eye.



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 8:31pm
whiskey_weed_and_women said:
Hooker said:
I'm not. If I believed in that shit, I'd most likely wear it. I just don't see the need to resurrect symbols and mannerisms like the swastika and the sig heil salute. It just does more harm than good. No matter what their origins may have been, they do more harm than good.


so when i took a picture with Crisis's gtr player, who just happens to be black and was wearing a shirt that said vote Republican and had a swastika on it. are you saying he was causing harm ?

also, you know, you have something in your eye.



If the text wasn't visible, he might have. I wouldn't have been bitching about it, but some people might have. Don't get me confused with the people who flip out over this stuff.



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jan 25,2005 8:41pm
naw the text on the shirt was right up front and the swastika was huge on the shirt. if i had it on my computer i'd post it but it's besides the point. i just think shit like this is sstupid, like stopping kids from skateboarding or rollerblading places. if you dont give people things to do, they will find things and it's usually when they are out hurting people.



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 8:56pm
It's the same in the fact that most people react first, ask questions later, but skateboarding was never tied in with nazi germany. Kind of a stretch.



toggletoggle post by coldnorthernvengeance  at Jan 25,2005 9:04pm
EVERYONE BE CAREFUL THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE WATCHING!!!! Be sure to tow the pc party line and you'll be able to play in a death metal or hardcore band around Boston. No black metal bands though!!!JUST REMEMBER TO ACT THE SAME AND THINK IN THE SAME WAYS AS THE LEFT WING COMMUNISTS AND YOU'LL BE OK... REMEMBER THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE WATCHING!!!!!



toggletoggle post by Kronos at Jan 25,2005 9:10pm
Listening to all the whining on this list,you'd think this board was some fuckin hippie forum. I don't care if the Anarchist and Communists want to back peddle on this. I'm not political, but I've had members of my family murdered in concentration camps so I have no fuckin tolerance for nazi trash. If I catch any of you fuckwits at a metal show, you can bet I will strangle you with my bare hands. If you want to have it out in the streets with pipes and chains, fuckin fine. There is no room in the metal scene for you scum.



toggletoggle post by coldnorthernvengeance  at Jan 25,2005 9:16pm
Who are the nazis? Where are all these nazi people at the Helvete shows? Hmmm...



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 9:21pm
I never said there were nazis at any of them. I'm saying people thought there were because of sig heiling and shit. Do whatever you want. Cause and effect.



toggletoggle post by bornsovile nli at Jan 25,2005 9:58pm
this is gay.
I was REALLY looking forward to seeing CNV next week.
it's irritating to see a bunch of fucks from an totally conflicting scene who know nothing about helvete take it into their hands to sterotype and discriminate against people, largely based off of arguments and opinions developed from internet message boards.



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jan 25,2005 10:00pm
Tis a shitty thing.



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 25,2005 10:16pm
Kronos said:
Listening to all the whining on this list,you'd think this board was some fuckin hippie forum. I don't care if the Anarchist and Communists want to back peddle on this. I'm not political, but I've had members of my family murdered in concentration camps so I have no fuckin tolerance for nazi trash. If I catch any of you fuckwits at a metal show, you can bet I will strangle you with my bare hands. If you want to have it out in the streets with pipes and chains, fuckin fine. There is no room in the metal scene for you scum.


good idea man. It's funny, cause I thought, and I probably misread you, but I thought you were saying you were going to violently eliminate a group of people based on their beliefs.

It's weird...I think I just read things funny. It just looks like that, you know? It looks like you said that you want to oust a group of people based on beliefs. I get all confused cause I thought that's what happened in those camps...they hurt people based on nothing more than what they believed.

But fuck me man, I mean, I got low reading comprehension or something.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 25,2005 11:18pm
If, I say if because Helvete has never booked a Nazi band, a Nazi band were booked to play Helvete I would gladly pay the three dollars to see them if I liked their music. I don't sympathize with Nazi beliefs at all, but I can look past the statements of such musicians and enjoy their musical output. I've made my opinion on Varg known various times on this board yet I still listen to Burzum on a regular basis.

NSBM isn't typical Neo-Nazi hatecore bullshit, the lyrics aren't all variations on "Kill niggers, kill spics, kill kikes, kill gooks. I'm white, I'm white, therefore I'm better than you" In fact you'd be hard pressed to find NSBM lyrics containing racial epithets because for most bands the NS part is kept out of their music and reserved for interviews and liner notes.



toggletoggle post by yummy at Jan 25,2005 11:47pm
there's definitely some confusion.. no,no you're right.



toggletoggle post by czolgosz singer at Jan 26,2005 12:09am
Falsifier, You and I have known each for a long time. You never contacted me once. Why the fuck are spreading rumors about me? First of all, I never called your house harrassing you. I called our 'freind' who was at your house and asked to speak to your roomate about the show. This happened twice in one night, this was last week.
I was asked by people in antifa to find out what was going on in Helvete night. Lots of people in boston had been talking about this night as being something that it is not. There are lots of racist comments. So naturally an anti-fascist group would look into this. No one in antifa, nor myself jumped to conclusions. I went directly to the source and asked what was going on, as I know people involved in Helvete.
Yes, some people (not you) came to me, and we discussed what was up, I appreciated this visit, and passed along to antifa that Helvete is NOT a white power event, it is a black metal event. And naturally, some NSBM people and music will be there, but it is NOT an political event.
I believed everyone who told me that in Helvete, and I still do.
I did not ever tell O'briens to shut down this event. Nor did antifa ever put a call for any action against Helvete.
A lot of people in boston have shit to say about Helvete. I actually went to the people who organze the event, heard and respected what they had to say, and passed it along to an anti-fascist group who listened and did not call for an action to shut down or disrupt Helvete.
So now you point me out as some middleclass college hippie, Beacuase I went out to try to find out what was going on and stop all this shit talking and rumor mongering.
Now you go out and encourage violence against me? I am probably the only person in boston who is against racism who is not a 'pussy', I went behind nobody's back, I sabatoged nothing, I asked questions to the organizers about the concerns, and when organizers came to me, I listened and discussed, and it was understood that I would do nothing against Helvete.
Yes I am on tour now, and can not really defend myself on the interenet all day.
But you are way off in accusing me of this shit.

Also, I hate state communists too. Stalin is as pathetic as hitler.



toggletoggle post by SINOFANGELS-RAY  at Jan 26,2005 12:31am
Can't we all be freinds and share a juce Box...



toggletoggle post by JonahBloodbath   at Jan 26,2005 12:37am
CNV? said:
Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not.

Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC.





word



toggletoggle post by JonahBloodbath   at Jan 26,2005 12:41am
coldnorthernvengeance said:
This is total fucking bullshit. First and foremost COLD NORTHERN VENGEANCE is NOT a political band. I am not a nazi. In fact I have nothing to do with any political organization.
Second... Fuck all you PC faggots, fuck these commie motherfuckers, fuck anyone that stands in our way. Some people in Boston were sick of the pseudo metal scene and tried to create a TRUE scene in Boston but leave it to a bunch of ultra left wing faggots to ruin it for everyone. I'm gonna be sure to do plenty of research on these bastards. Bunch of snot nosed kids that need something to "piss and moan" about. If something does not fit their PC facsist mentality they do everything they can to get a show cancelled.
Third... I appreciate what all the Helvete guys are doing and hope they continue. Don't let these faggots ruin Black Metal around Boston.



you're a moron.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 26,2005 12:58am
Why is antifa investigating shows in the first place? Are they some sort of government authority? Has there been some illegal activity at Helvete that the public is not aware of? Is Helvete really just a front for a drug syndicate that forces small children to cook meth in the backroom of whatever club CNV happens to be playing?

No, antifa are "investigating" shows because they are hypocrites and use fascist scare tactics to shut down shows they don't agree with.



toggletoggle post by Cryptic Anthony at Jan 26,2005 1:11am
Helvete getting shut down sucks.

Boston needs all the metal it can get.

I really don't think that shutting down something that allows people to get together and appreciate music, an art form, is a help to diversity and multiculturalism.

Somehow I get the impression (and I'm sure this is an unfair generalization in some ways) that this authoritarian "antifa" group is a bunch of sheltered meddling white people who really don't understand what multiculturalism is all about. Censorship is INTOLERANT and INTOLERANCE does not aid multiculturalism.

Are there any examples of violence or strife that had something to do with a Helvete night? If there are, I'd really like to know. What are the concerns of those responsible for "investigating" Helvete? Were they afraid of violence occurring at or around Helvete or people who attend Helvete going out and committing hate crimes? I guess I just don't really understand this whole situation.



toggletoggle post by mikehuntstinks at Jan 26,2005 1:21am
I am going to book josh martin night at o'briens! that would rule nigga



toggletoggle post by alex berkman. at Jan 26,2005 1:27am
half of you using the word "fascist" in this thread have no idea what it means. get thee to a dictionary.

that, and getting the night shut down was never the goal.



toggletoggle post by alex berkman. at Jan 26,2005 1:33am
"I think Jimmynotanonymous, anarchistmetalhead and Dave from NEFAC need a lesson in minding their own business"

you know, like a good german.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 26,2005 1:35am



toggletoggle post by Sinistas   at Jan 26,2005 1:36am
Falcifer said:
I am simply stating I let my emotions get away from me and am trying very hard to fix what was a small but strong metal night.


Hopefully you've caught this before it wrecked the chances of saving Helvete in the long term. Of course the natural instinct is to fight back, but especially in a situation like this, it will just reinforce the opposing position (regardless of who was right or wrong). Taking a step back, and looking at the situation from both angles will often help get things resolved quicker, and hopefully everybody comes out of it with a little more understanding.

God damn, I sound like a guidance counselor. Somebody get me a screwdriver!



toggletoggle post by horror_tang  at Jan 26,2005 2:48am
Boycott?! What a bunch of shitstains. If they really believed in what they were doing they would shed some blood for their cause. Instead they'll hound a club into having it shut down. I really hate myself and my belief system so I am officially boycotting my own band. I will now be playing all shows without being on my meds. Furthermore, I am going to shout "rock out with your cock out" between songs. Then I am going to pee standing down so that I may further understand the meaning of life. Maybe we're in luck at last. Who's to say that is not Matool? This so-called anarchist group is doing nothing more than running a blood drive that is really a pyramid scheme perpitrated by Dracula and his night slaves. I therefore will make them wait in line for tp outside my home. Then I will drench them with cologne and arm deodorant and pretend my name is Dr. Ernest P. Rockefeller, the hater of all things cheese. Eat shit?! Ha ha, you know who you are. Finally, please support your local eugenics program so that we may now filter the gene pool that has pissed in for the last several decades. I eat paste. Cows eat grass. I am the underdoug. Beware of godless, irate humanitarians drinking from the sinister pool of lost dreams of the seventh level of hell. I call this purgatory, but alas, no fudge. The return is soon to come. I thought I seen him today, at the store. Eating a taco with cream cheese. Was it Elvis or Jesus? Or a swollen cow fetus?


I jumped in the ocean and swallowed a whale
Handcuffed lightnin' and throwed thunder's ass in jail
I walked through the graveyard like a bolt of thunder
Made the tombstones jump and put the dead on the wonder
I want you to jump off the Empire State Buildin' in a paper sack
Look up a camel's ass and scare the hump out of his back
Then jump off the Eiffel Tower and land on yo muthafuckin' head
Get up and do the mashed potato and prove to me you ain't dead
Catch the tail of an astro jet and get off at cloud nine
Drink a bottle of Milk of Magnesia and some Red Port wine
Then parachute off the clouds real fast
Land on the White House yard and shit on the grass
Take the President's necktie and wipe yo muthafuckin' ass



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 26,2005 8:15am edited Jan 26,2005 8:17am
Falsifier, You and I have known each for a long time. You never contacted me once. Why the fuck are spreading rumors about me? First of all, I never called your house harrassing you. I called our 'freind' who was at your house and asked to speak to your roomate about the show. This happened twice in one night, this was last week.
I was asked by people in antifa to find out what was going on in Helvete night. Lots of people in boston had been talking about this night as being something that it is not. There are lots of racist comments. So naturally an anti-fascist group would look into this. No one in antifa, nor myself jumped to conclusions. I went directly to the source and asked what was going on, as I know people involved in Helvete.
Yes, some people (not you) came to me, and we discussed what was up, I appreciated this visit, and passed along to antifa that Helvete is NOT a white power event, it is a black metal event. And naturally, some NSBM people and music will be there, but it is NOT an political event.
I believed everyone who told me that in Helvete, and I still do.
I did not ever tell O'briens to shut down this event. Nor did antifa ever put a call for any action against Helvete.
A lot of people in boston have shit to say about Helvete. I actually went to the people who organze the event, heard and respected what they had to say, and passed it along to an anti-fascist group who listened and did not call for an action to shut down or disrupt Helvete.
So now you point me out as some middleclass college hippie, Beacuase I went out to try to find out what was going on and stop all this shit talking and rumor mongering.
Now you go out and encourage violence against me? I am probably the only person in boston who is against racism who is not a 'pussy', I went behind nobody's back, I sabatoged nothing, I asked questions to the organizers about the concerns, and when organizers came to me, I listened and discussed, and it was understood that I would do nothing against Helvete.
Yes I am on tour now, and can not really defend myself on the interenet all day.
But you are way off in accusing me of this shit.

Also, I hate state communists too. Stalin is as pathetic as hitler.



This is why this thing got out of hand in the first place. First off READ my posts even in the height of my anger I never once “incited or called for” violence against you. I stated that the people/organization responsible would pay. Don’t think I don’t mean that either. As you know there are other forms of “pay-back” other than violence or is that not the nature of your beliefs. OOOOOO guess what someone pushes me I AM GOING TO PUSH BACK! As you will also see I posted the letter written to us by antifa in response to our letter to them. I for one believe them as I believe you (I also didn’t say you called ME I said you called my house which you did). You also claim that we have known each other for a long time, well I guess not if for one second you thought that I would whole heartedly apply my focus on setting up something as insane as a monthly gathering of “white supremacists”. Regardless of what you said YOU got involved with an organization that was focused on ONE thing and not the bigger picture. Finally after a big stink was raised you found your truth. The truth the ONE of the organizers of our event has personal politics that you, your watchdog organization, and quite frankly I don’t believe in. You found out that this has NOTHING to do with HELVETE as far as I am concerned. Fine good but guess what the stink has been raised O’brien’s received EMAILS from people who jumped the gun THEY GOT CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO DIDN”T LOOK INTO IT. So as a result something I WORKED VERY HARD TO DO FOR A YEAR IS NOW RUINED! PERIOD! What do you expect when someone yells fire in a crowded area or rapist at someone who happened to be at the wrong place at he wrong time? What you and your dogs expect the CLUB TO DO! Of course they HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO CANCEL! You so concerned for your well-being? So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power”. So what if your intentions were just and noble I think I am old enough and comfortable with myself to figure things out for myself with out a watchdog group doing it for me. The damage has been done and is irreparable. Thanks a lot for looking out for me. Its good to know there is someone who has my back.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 26,2005 8:56am
I just emailed Shred, complaining about this.



toggletoggle post by Kronos at Jan 26,2005 9:22am
<i> I thought you were saying you were going to violently eliminate a group of people based on their beliefs.</i>

Yeah. Pretty much. Want some liberal? Fuck nazis.



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jan 26,2005 9:30am



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jan 26,2005 10:39am
Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power".

Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics?

If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again.

Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 26,2005 10:51am
Cold Northern Vengeance is not a white power nazi band, who else played Helvete shows? Watchmaker? They aren't white power. Hirudinea? Nope. Abhorred? They aren't white power either.

He made a point to say he never encouraged violence against anyone, yet you post anonymously that you can find him with an obvious threat. Get a fucking life and end your retarded witch hunt.



toggletoggle post by notCNV at Jan 26,2005 10:58am
Several people have pointed out the fact that we all know, the fact that: You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 26,2005 11:00am edited Jan 26,2005 11:13am
anonymous said:
Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power".

Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics?

If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again.

Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find.


...did you really read what I wrote. Did you absorb anything I posted. You quoted me and it looks that by your last line its "your side who seem to be inciting the violence". Thanks a lot for the direct threat. It does wonders for your stance (which I agree with there is no place for racism). The fact the you are indeed "anonymous" makes it difficult to actually find out what you know about what actually has gone down... I posted the antifa letter... it clearly states their/your side. We internally are dealing with our "problems". I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OTHER PEOPLE AND HAD NO IDEA OF THE OTHER ADVERTISING! These nights are/were loosly organised. You gave/are giving no chance for anyone to explain themselves at all... its all knee jerk.
All I wanted was a place for people who like metal to come and listen and hang out.

By the way that post was directed towards one person and one person only.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 26,2005 11:00am
Are you trolling white power boards looking for people to censor?



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 26,2005 11:06am
notCNV said:
Several people have pointed out the fact that we all know, the fact that: You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums


Known? Known by whom... he and others went to antifa to discuss things as people should do. They agreed to what ever was said (I was not a part of this meeting) and they backed off. But once the ball started it got too big and I don't blame the club at all for what they had to do.



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 26,2005 11:23am
it's funny, and maybe I am naive, but these anti-white-power groups claim that the White Supremicists and Nazis are making our lives so awful, and then say "You have nazis amongst you...look at this and that".

But yet the this and that never bothered me or did anything to hurt me or my friends.

Then you look at these "anti-hate" groups, and many of thier consituancy have hurt my friends, colleagues, and events I enjoy/admire.

I dunnow...it's weird cause the nazis haven't done shit to bother me yet but these ANTI white supremicy groups are making things really shitty and unfair for people that I have no problem with.

strange how that works.



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 26,2005 11:41am
wow! this is still going??... the funny thing is that I was planning to go to this show and if it did happen to turn out to be a nazifest type thing I prolly would have gotten the shit kicked out of me cuz I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut around those people.

I remember a time when the internet didn't exist and we actually had to stand up for what we thought was right, in person, face to face.




toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 26,2005 11:47am
it wouldn't have turned out to be a nazifest, it would have mostly been people on this board hanging out and listening to music.



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Jan 26,2005 11:58am
Joe/NotCommon said:
it wouldn't have turned out to be a nazifest, it would have mostly been people on this board hanging out and listening to music.


that's what I figured, I'm just saying we are perfectly capable of policing our own. white cops need to stay out of black neighborhoods




toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 26,2005 12:06pm
It boggles my mind that a simple opportunity to hang out and listen to music is suddenly a fucking criminal activity with this much controversy surrounding it



toggletoggle post by foghladha at Jan 26,2005 12:08pm
helvete has nothing to do with any left or right wing groups and is not linked to any political organizations. it was a place where people of the black metal genre could get together and hangout and listen to music and check out live bands.
we are a positive and progressive night that supports new and upcoming metal bands and we have a website with many different topics and opinions, none of which list a doctrine or code of beliefs that you have to be into. everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beleifs. we are a open forum for the freedom and expression of the arts and speech. we all share one thing we love extreme metal, so people what they dont understand and fear must label and in this p.c. climate we live in today the word "nazi" and so forth is throw out by very closeminded, ignorant and weak people.
no one should be telling me what i can or can do with music and how i should be and live my life. thats the reason i got involved in punk rock and heavy metal, not to deal with people who are so small minded and not any different than the people i was getting away from.
this attack on our night is such a bumout that people still think this way and feel as its ok to ruin things and dictate what they think is right and wrong in the underground music scene. this sort of behaviour pushes away any people with any real intelligence and creativity and leave an empty void of hipsters, pc people and posers. i would like to see this resolved and get back to normal activity with some brutal, harsh, aggressive music and headbanging. i thank everyone who has supported us.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 26,2005 12:11pm
metal and indie rock are the only scenes that consist of people listening to music and hanging out/having fun without some bizarre agenda behind it.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 26,2005 12:12pm



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 26,2005 12:13pm
NO SOUP FOR YOU!



toggletoggle post by armageddonday   at Jan 26,2005 12:14pm
I didn't read the whole thing but a good portion of it.

WTF is Anarcho communism anyway? Doesn't make any fucking sense to me, either you're anarcho or communist. Not both. Communism is dead BTW, the only country in the world who still has a so called communist party is France and they're a bunch of jokes.

Ninkaszi187, let the crusties out of this, please. ;)

This has been a recuring problem between punk and metal heads for ages and it's not about to stop.
Very tough at time, being yeah...a punk, totally into metal.
I see their point in a way, I don't agree with it though because they're attaquing a group, not individuals.
We used to go nazi bashing when I was still living in France (I was like 15 or 16), they started hanging out in town more often. In this case, it's either them or you, so better be them. Got rid of the bastards in 3 weeks. But we knew who we were targetting though...and THEY WERE NAZIS. Certainly not metal heads. We operated a bit different as well, we didn't call anybody, threaten anybody on the phone, whinning. We were just organised enough than when one of them came in town all of us got together and, well... beat the crap out of him/her/them and that's a lot to say from a crowd of total drunks, junkies, potheads, punks/crusties and homeless people. If you were really convinced Helvete was a white power thing why the fuck didn't you just get some people together and go beat the crap out of these people? To scared of the cops?
The way you fucked Helvete is really really lame, and wussy. Start growing some balls if you want to get rid of nazis (which, BTW: you won't), get in the streets, and stop whinning on the phone.

Helvete, if I were you I would try to keep Helvete going...if you can.





toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 26,2005 12:23pm
armageddonday said:
the only country in the world who still has a so called communist party is France and they're a bunch of jokes.


french are socialist, not commies.

you are going to make china, laos, north korea, vietnam and cuba sad...

also, there are commie parties in almost every single country in the world. In some countries they actually have some power:
venezula
france
germany
russia (duh)
Poland (that was a big win for them)
the list goes on.



toggletoggle post by armageddonday   at Jan 26,2005 12:26pm
I think France is one of the only using the name "communist" in the actual name of the political party though.



toggletoggle post by alex berkman. at Jan 26,2005 12:27pm
so ... if cold northern vengeance is claiming they aren't white power, why didn't they make any public statement about not being nsbm, the way one of the helevete djs described them in a weekly dig review?



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 26,2005 12:29pm
Read their replies in this thread you moron, they do say they are not a nazi band.

Plus, I have a feeling CNV doesn't read the Weekly Dig.



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jan 26,2005 12:32pm
you can be white power and not a nazi correct?

what a shitstorm it is in here.



toggletoggle post by alex berkman. at Jan 26,2005 12:33pm
armadgedddddddwhateveryournamewas -

so you're upset that antifa wasn't violent enough?

also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 26,2005 12:34pm
Alex Berkman, you don't strike me as very intelligent.



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 26,2005 12:36pm
but look at all those big words he's using



toggletoggle post by armageddonday   at Jan 26,2005 12:39pm
alex berkman. said:
armadgedddddddwhateveryournamewas -

so you're upset that antifa wasn't violent enough?

also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism.


I just think that it's just lame to take care of shit like this on the phone. My point is that if you were really certain about these guys political views, you should have take other actions than whinning on the phone.

"anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism." isn't UTOPIA more appropriate here?

Sorry I have no hope left for mankind.



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 26,2005 12:47pm
Joe/NotCommon said:
metal and indie rock are the only scenes that consist of people listening to music and hanging out/having fun without some bizarre agenda behind it.


nah I wouldn't say indie rock. The HP'rs / The Noise co-opted that.

College rock, man

like Three Doors Down or the Wallflowers. That's the shit.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 26,2005 12:49pm
armageddonday said:
I think France is one of the only using the name "communist" in the actual name of the political party though.


nope, just google for communist party or communist countries.
though it might be the only non-communist country with a political party in power with the word communist in the name. Most other parties in other countries changed their names.

in the last polish electrion, the Polish Communist Party won BIG TIME, but they change their name to the Democratic Left Alliance. Same leaders and all, different name.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 26,2005 12:51pm
alex berkman. said:
also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism.


how the fuck is that possible? except on a hippie commun or something.

I thought you were talking about Mass. until the end part, but I see the light now:
anarchocommunism = support lazy people, yeah!



toggletoggle post by armageddonday   at Jan 26,2005 12:54pm
Ok, yeah. I knew there was something like that going on...I really didn't mean that there was no communist in power anywhere, but the party in power in France is not communist.

No matter what, anarchy and communism to me, should not be used in relation with each other.



toggletoggle post by alex berkman. at Jan 26,2005 12:55pm
actually, an a-c society would probably kick lazy people out of the community



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jan 26,2005 12:56pm



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 26,2005 12:56pm
alex berkman. said:
armadgedddddddwhateveryournamewas -

so you're upset that antifa wasn't violent enough?

also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism.


go away, douche. You fuckwits have worn out your welcome.

"Will there still be sugar after the revolution?"--George Orwell, 'Animal Farm'

NOPE!



toggletoggle post by armageddonday   at Jan 26,2005 12:57pm
Alex berkman, I have a question for you:
what's the average age of your organisation?



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 26,2005 1:00pm
All I fucking want is a monday night to listen to good metal in good company with a drink in hand and this is no longer an option due to people's stupid political agendas , which translates to me as nothing but boredom by fuckwits



toggletoggle post by makhno at Jan 26,2005 1:03pm
hey litacore, just so you know....George Orwell was an Anarcho-Communist.

Do some research.



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 26,2005 1:11pm
HAHA

telling larissa to do research is like telling a smackhead to do heroin, smartypants



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 26,2005 1:23pm
If you have hate in your heart let it out. WHITE POWER



toggletoggle post by makhno at Jan 26,2005 1:23pm
There's no way I could've guess that litacore does research when she quotes an anarchist-communist to tell anarchist-communists to fuck off. Doesn't make sense. If she did some research about George Orwell, she'd know that he was first a member of the British Communist Party, then went to Spain to fight alongside the anarchists and council communists against the Fascists. He then saw how awful the Communist Party was, left the party, and became an anarchist-communist. There, I did your research for you!



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 26,2005 1:24pm
CHING CHONG CHING CHANG! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM!



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 26,2005 1:28pm
dammit..gone an hour and look what i miss..i'll have to catch up later on



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jan 26,2005 1:29pm
BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:
If you have hate in your heart let it out. WHITE POWER


HAHAHAHAHAHA


CHINEASE PEOPLE, WITH YOUR CHING CHANG CHONG TALK! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOO, GO BACK TO YER CUNTRY!!! WHITE POWER!



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 26,2005 1:32pm edited Jan 26,2005 1:36pm
makhno said:
There's no way I could've guess that litacore does research when she quotes an anarchist-communist to tell anarchist-communists to fuck off. Doesn't make sense. If she did some research about George Orwell, she'd know that he was first a member of the British Communist Party, then went to Spain to fight alongside the anarchists and council communists against the Fascists. He then saw how awful the Communist Party was, left the party, and became an anarchist-communist. There, I did your research for you!


alrighty
then
cock
smoker,

if you MUST know, I'm well aware of Orwell's political affiliations. They shaped his works, for fuck's sake.

I quoted him there to emphasize that there WILL NOT be any sugar after the revolution.
**There probably won't any metal, either. Just Minor Threat and R.E.M., 24-7 !!!)
(Whether or not the revolution will be televised, that's up to the Somerville Public Access Channel)

also, Orwell > You
because he didn't fuck Helvete (he might have, but I think he busy behind a different type of keyboard than the one we're using today)

oh, and douche.




toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 26,2005 1:33pm
Yeah, seriously, douche. You're stinking up the whole message board



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 26,2005 1:34pm
DID THAT GUY JUST CALL US NIGGERS? AWESOME!



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 26,2005 1:44pm
CONILINGUS RICE!

SOUNDS LIKE A MEXICAN DISH!

WHY DONT WE SEND HER TO MEXICO SO THE MEXICANS CAN EAT HER?!

WHITE POWER!



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 26,2005 1:45pm
watch out, there's a few anarcho-communists watching the website today

eventually we'll all start talking about heavy metal music in more detail, and they'll get bored and go about their business of saving us from ourselves (maybe)

did I say douche again?



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 26,2005 1:47pm
litacore, please give me your opinion on the first three Venom albums, as compared to their later efforts.

double spaced.



toggletoggle post by Abbath at Jan 26,2005 2:04pm
DID I MENTION THEY STINK?!



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Jan 26,2005 2:15pm
assuck said:
litacore, please give me your opinion on the first three Venom albums, as compared to their later efforts.

double spaced.


Don't encourage her!!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 26,2005 2:31pm
man, I just grep'd my server logs..
you wouldn't believe how many places this has been emailed to...
yahoo, hotmail, juno, someone's squirrel mail...



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 26,2005 2:41pm
why do people pushing for "the revolution" always talk in a way that is as beugoise (however you spell it) as humanly possible?

If you can't explain your cause in laymen's terms, then it's not for laymen. Lead a pompus intellectual revolution and only those that view themselves as pompous intellectuals will rise to it.



toggletoggle post by Defnasty   at Jan 26,2005 2:44pm
There is no way shred is cancelling the Hirax show. HAHA!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 26,2005 2:48pm
let them eat cake.



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 26,2005 2:49pm
the_reverend said:
man, I just grep'd my server logs..
you wouldn't believe how many places this has been emailed to...
yahoo, hotmail, juno, someone's squirrel mail...


we've just given the cause of arachnid-anarcho-communism-cartmaninism a whole new lease on life

perhaps one of them will stumble on some brodequin as a result of this, and that can only be a good thing



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 26,2005 2:55pm
Kronos said:
I've had members of my family murdered in concentration camps



Oh, shit I just noticed this post.

Hey Kronos,
HAHA, your family's soap.

My band is playing the Middle East on March 28th. See ya there.





toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 26,2005 3:00pm


Mike (far right): A social conscience is like a garden shed. If you try and eat it, it'll stick in your throat.

Rick (screaming, far left): POINT ONE: abolish Poverty.
POINT TWO: abolish Capitalism.
POINT THREE: Dexy's Midnight Runners play free, daily, in the University Library.

Mike: We've already got them up in our lavatory.



toggletoggle post by horror_tang  at Jan 26,2005 3:20pm
Anarchocommunism is indeed a dream. It may work fine in theory, but could never be achieved. How the hell could you ever achieve such a Candyland (I mean Utopian) version of the world? It would end up being being a plutocracy.



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jan 26,2005 3:26pm
Thomas More had a Utopian view of the world

until Henry VIII lopped his head off



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jan 26,2005 3:27pm
anonymous said:
Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power".

Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics?

If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again.

Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find.



Here's the thing faggot no one wanted to clean up their fucking image. Helvete was never for whiny cunts like you. I'm gonna host my own black metal night where every other song is Skrewdriver just to piss people like you off. I don't tell people how to fucking think or act but scum like you are the ones that tell people how to think, how to act, walk, talk, fuck, shit, piss and moan and pout when something comes along that you don't understand. Your the kind of fucking people that burned people at the stake at the Salem Witch trials when in reality most of em' were not even fucking witches.

GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! CNV was never a political band... We are an Occult band and we're not going to tone it down to please a group of people that smell like sewer rats.... FUCKING DIE!




toggletoggle post by CNV nli at Jan 26,2005 3:30pm
the above post was CNV



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jan 26,2005 3:34pm
litacore said:
Thomas More had a Utopian view of the world

until Henry VIII lopped his head off


i'm really starting to like you Hahaha !



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jan 26,2005 3:55pm
Falcifier: "You quoted me and it looks that by your last line its "your side who seem to be inciting the violence". Thanks a lot for the direct threat. It does wonders for your stance"

My stance? My stance is fuck nazis and their fence-walking apologists. I also have a stance on violence: I enthusiastically support it. I know alot of people who feel the same way, and they aren't that hard to mobilize.

Once again, make a move and see what happens.

Falcifer: "We internally are dealing with our "problems".

Cool. Sort your problems out and relaunch your metal night, minus the nazi elements, and I got no beef with you. But if you keep running your mouth about "pay back" and it ever materializes, well then there's gonna be some problems at your doorstep asshole.






toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jan 26,2005 3:59pm
How are these anti-facist losers any different than Joe Mcarthy?



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jan 26,2005 4:04pm
McCarthy had cool Nazi signs......oops wait no that was Hitler



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 26,2005 4:04pm



toggletoggle post by Gemini at Jan 26,2005 4:05pm
Hello. Gemini here of Cold Northern Vengeance.

Too bad we had gotten cancelled, and have somehow helped to cause Helvete to be in the position it is in. I will be breif, since i think chatting on message boards is a big waste of time.

Cold northern Vengeance is interested in Music, and Occultism. We are NOT NSBM, we Really HATE politics, and our main interest is in our selves creating music. We enjoy creating sonic images. Only Analog is real!!!
I cannot deny i have pride in my heritage, and the northland the ancestors chose for us, that should be normal. It is true stupid things by members have been said, in a political taste, but these things are left wholly out of the music, we feel that only spiritual, and dark topics are the true keys to this music. In fact, politics really bore us, they do nothing.
With that said, stop complaining, unless you hate people that would rather hang out in the woods than be a part of the normal life (sounds kinda hippyish, does it not??)
A big honor to the guys in Helvete, your gatherings were the only true in the area for black metal. DONT let helvete burrow itself.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 26,2005 4:07pm
like capitolist...
like communist



toggletoggle post by Gemini at Jan 26,2005 4:10pm
oh yeah, people that actually live the lifestyle of hunting and killing people because of race are the equal standing as these communists who wholly enfore the condensing of all they dislike to the world around them. And yes, this seems fascist to me. Just pitiful. We think both these White Power types, and homeless anarchos are entwined and the same. But, im not going to stop you and your beliefs, i could care less. The eight sided star is in the real power.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 26,2005 4:12pm
and I will say now, that I don't care about any personal beliefs that people in CNV have. The music is really really good and I would have them play my radio show at some point.



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 26,2005 4:12pm
the_reverend said:


awesome pic



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jan 26,2005 4:12pm
damn some punch and pie would rule right now.



toggletoggle post by SINOFANGELS-RAY  at Jan 26,2005 4:15pm
I said we should All share a GOD DAM juice Box



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 26,2005 4:29pm
I think we should keep talking about juice boxes. Enough with this racism crap.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 26,2005 4:29pm
I am not involved in any NIGGERDOM!



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 26,2005 4:33pm
Do you want total war? Yes we want total war!
Do you want fucking war? Yes we want fucking war!

November 1939, eastern front line
Machine gun fire, defending our pride
Four months of hell, thousands of bombs fell
Antaa tulla tänne vaan, SUOMI FINLAND PERKELE!
PERKELE!

WAR - Winter war
WAR - Bowe to no one
WAR - Winter war
WAR - Kill them all

Russia beaten up, over 200000 communists dead
If they want a new war, this time will kill them all

WAR - Winter war
WAR - Bowe to no one
WAR - Winter war
WAR - Kill them all



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jan 26,2005 4:38pm
where is the juice box reference in that !



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 26,2005 4:41pm
Seems someone doesn't want Helvete to prevail.











BobNOMAAMRooney nli does NOT speak for HELVETE.



toggletoggle post by SINOFANGELS-RAY  at Jan 26,2005 4:48pm
Oh I made it a while back or so ago between the I'll get my boys you get your boys, Don't be Racist or i'll beat you up, I'm A commie, your a commie, don't you want to be a commie too...., The nazi party , the jewish defence league, justice league of america.... the juice box comment



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 26,2005 4:56pm
swamplorddvm said:
Seems someone doesn't want Helvete to prevail.
BobNOMAAMRooney nli does NOT speak for HELVETE.


I'm just joking around, I've already defended Helvete and I've already clarified that I'm not a Nazi. Now I just want to post a ton of nonsensical shit or something.



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 26,2005 4:58pm
Ok I am sorry, dude. thank you for defending Helvete. I'm just pissed about this absurd shit.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 26,2005 5:06pm



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 26,2005 5:07pm
this is now the pWned thread 2.0



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 26,2005 5:15pm



toggletoggle post by Falcifer at Jan 26,2005 5:15pm
anonymous said:
Falcifier: "You quoted me and it looks that by your last line its "your side who seem to be inciting the violence". Thanks a lot for the direct threat. It does wonders for your stance"

My stance? My stance is fuck nazis and their fence-walking apologists. I also have a stance on violence: I enthusiastically support it. I know alot of people who feel the same way, and they aren't that hard to mobilize.

Once again, make a move and see what happens.

Falcifer: "We internally are dealing with our "problems".

Cool. Sort your problems out and relaunch your metal night, minus the nazi elements, and I got no beef with you. But if you keep running your mouth about "pay back" and it ever materializes, well then there's gonna be some problems at your doorstep asshole.





Ok here it is... I have also no beef with you my original post was with someone else, but since you decided to champion his cause fine. A year ago me plus two others decided to try to make a night once a month to listen to music we like with no agenda. Just music. Unbeknownst to me one person went ahead and placed an agenda on Helvete. You would laugh at how unorganized we are in regards to these monthly events. So now we all must pay the price. I had no knowledge of this so don’t call me a fence walker. I see no place for racism at all. Unfortunately it has come to where we are now. Blatant threats of physical harm towards me. Well guess what? My belief is that nothing is worth this. I am too old and just don’t care enough to continue. This is my last post on this matter. The Helvete site and night may continue, but without my involvement. I am disassociating myself of all involvement. So pat yourself on the back because you win you threats, swearing and name-calling worked…

Thanks to all who made Helvete a brief pleasure.



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jan 26,2005 5:33pm
SINOFANGELS-RAY said:
Oh I made it a while back or so ago between the I'll get my boys you get your boys, Don't be Racist or i'll beat you up, I'm A commie, your a commie, don't you want to be a commie too...., The nazi party , the jewish defence league, justice league of america.... the juice box comment


no no i meant the lyrics that where put up, good show though.



toggletoggle post by fuckshred at Jan 26,2005 5:36pm
this idiot is ruining our scene. dictators out of boston!



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 26,2005 5:36pm
damn dude...



toggletoggle post by BestialOnslaught  at Jan 26,2005 6:14pm
alex berkman. said:
"I think Jimmynotanonymous, anarchistmetalhead and Dave from NEFAC need a lesson in minding their own business"

you know, like a good german.


Haha... You've gotta be kidding me.

You = never went to Helvete (same with the 3 turds I mentioned above).



toggletoggle post by armageddonday   at Jan 26,2005 6:25pm
I have so much to say and so little ways to express it correctly. This is a very passionate matter to(for?) me and I'm just going to shut up.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jan 26,2005 6:41pm
Falcifer: "This is my last post on this matter. The Helvete site and night may continue, but without my involvement. I am disassociating myself of all involvement. So pat yourself on the back because you win you threats, swearing and name-calling worked…"

Quit being a drama queen. It doesn't sound like anyone had problems with you until you started to starting laying on the thinly veiled threats about pay back. Have your fucking metal night. Drink. Listen to music. Be merry. Do your thing. Just don't play the rest of us for idiots about not knowing what's up with your own event, and don't start dropping threats unless you are willing to back them up. Okay?



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jan 26,2005 6:51pm
i'm still waiting for juice boxes !



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 26,2005 7:20pm
anonymous said:
Quit being a drama queen. It doesn't sound like anyone had problems with you until you started to starting laying on the thinly veiled threats about pay back. Have your fucking metal night. Drink. Listen to music. Be merry. Do your thing. Just don't play the rest of us for idiots about not knowing what's up with your own event, and don't start dropping threats unless you are willing to back them up. Okay?


Falcifier made "thinly veiled threats about pay back" after NEantifa got its panties in a bunch and got Helvete cancelled. NEantifa jumped the gun on the situation and NEantifa is in the wrong. Go on anonymous posters, keep on making empty threats to RTTP posters because your grandparents died in the holocaust or your Newton (A)narchist Crew just got wind of Burzum and decided to make generalizations about all metal.

This is what I look like. The next time you see me at a show feel free to walk up to me so we can discuss our differences. If the spirit grabs you, go ahead and punch me in the face for being a fan of Black Metal. I look forward to having you arrested and testifying to put you away for assault.





toggletoggle post by Cathach at Jan 27,2005 1:50pm
Hail to all for your words of support, as of now the only definite is the loss of our comrade Falcifer from HelveteBoston.The person responsible for any NS related music, thought or posting was me and no one else.I take full resposibility for this and and accept the consequences.We will know within the week if we,as an outlet for Black Metal will continue.To address the question of my beliefs would take a few hundred pages and solve nothing.I will say only this; if you know me you have already made up your minds, if you don't I have a clear conscience and have nothing to be ashamed of.Cathach HelveteBoston, Wotan Mit Uns.



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jan 27,2005 1:56pm




toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 27,2005 4:12pm
CNN just had a big thing on panzer faust.
I told someone that the guy would be wearing a screwdriver shirt.
sure enough, he was.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 27,2005 4:21pm
When I play CoD Multiplayer I use panzerfausts to rocket jump.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 27,2005 4:21pm
And I always play as the Nazis because I listen to black metal. Duh!



toggletoggle post by voltairine at Jan 27,2005 6:20pm
"To address the question of my beliefs would take a few hundred pages and solve nothing."

Yeah, you could call it "My Struggle."

"And then the communist threat told on me, and the jews who owned the bar cancelled my Black Metal night..."



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jan 27,2005 6:23pm
voltairine said:
"To address the question of my beliefs would take a few hundred pages and solve nothing."

Yeah, you could call it "My Struggle."

"And then the communist threat told on me, and the jews who owned the bar cancelled my Black Metal night..."



OMFG U SHOWED HIM!



toggletoggle post by voltairine at Jan 27,2005 8:15pm
Okay let's see. This guy's allegedly really deep, complicated beliefs, which of course aren't at all racist... the dude bragged to other nazis that he follows the Pagan Front creed. What does it say on their website? Let's see (remember, "Vinland" = North America):

<I>We at the VINLANDIC PAGAN FRONT are ACTIVISTS within the Heathen National Socialist underground and clandestine movements. We support a radical change to this modern structure by all means available to us, whether legal or not, all our actions are justified according to our laws of nature. We shall NOT tolerate the cowardly attempts to discredit us, tarnish our name, stop our advancement or threaten us with any kind of clear anti-white propaganda. To go against us is not only a proof of treachery to the white race and the cause we fight for, but also very dangerous. We are NOT only about music and concerts, the Vinlandic Pagan Front is a radical overtly anti-ZOG Aryan Advancement organization. We do not fear retaliation, nor do we coward behind laws we do not believe in. Our way is the way of the urban warfare. Our weapons are many, music indeed, propaganda, but that is not all of the arsenal we have available to us in Vinland.

" Internet warriors, rehearsal room militants, demo covers nazi poster boys are WE DO NOT NEED!!! Indeed Black Metal is one of our common passion which unite us, BUT THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF OUR EXISTENCE. Black Metal is JUST a music genre, the ideological pillars we use to create this Art, THAT is our true purpose. When Black Metal is dead, our ideology will remain. Our fight will still be raging and our blood will still be pilled for the cause. NOT THE BLACK METAL CAUSE….THE ARYAN CAUSE. This must be understood. Many in the Vinland Division are ready to drop out of the Black Metal movement on a snap of the fingers if need be. That we are all aware of. So if you expect us to be only a musical fan club for nerdy introverted, no-self esteem pathetic kid in search for a “gang” to belong too and appear “radical” to the other kids at school…forget us. We will boot your ass to a pulp and not even think twice about cleaning our sole of your filth afterwards.

" The Pagan front : Vinlandic Division not unlike THE ORDER, believe in clandestine action against the powers that be. Those involved understand the price to pay for any actions and are well aware of the resulting possibilities. Not ALL are obliged to what is not within their capabilities, but ALL are required to be ACTIVE at a level or the other. Simply to be a member is not sufficient. Member’s clubs do not change the world, activists do. Some have already sacrificed their freedom and some their lives for the cause and more will come. We are prepared. The Pagan Front: Vinlandic Division is rising and who will dare stand in our way…?<i>

There you go people, that's how low Keith has gotten these days.



toggletoggle post by Strep_Cunt  at Jan 27,2005 8:15pm
really too bad....i was looking forward to getting some sort of live setup for a Helvete. Hopefully I will see it soon somewhere else.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 27,2005 10:45pm
voltairine said:
Indeed Black Metal is one of our common passion which unite us, BUT THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF OUR EXISTENCE. Black Metal is JUST a music genre, the ideological pillars we use to create this Art, THAT is our true purpose. When Black Metal is dead, our ideology will remain. Our fight will still be raging and our blood will still be pilled for the cause. NOT THE BLACK METAL CAUSE….THE ARYAN CAUSE.


So because Keith holds beliefs that have tenuous connections to the music played at Helvete it's reason enough to get the show cancelled? Everyone cancel every punk show in Boston because I saw some pictures of the Sex Pistols and Siouxie And The Banshees with nazi armbands! Cancel all the post-punk shows in town because Joy Division used a Nazi gimmick when they were starting out and their name is a reference to concentration camp prostitutes. No more shows in Boston because everything could be linked to racist ideology and as non NEantifa musicians and music fans we're not intelligent enough to form our own opinions

Painting Helvete as a racist event because of ONE man's beliefs is as foolish as a racist claiming to be tolerant because he "has a black friend"



toggletoggle post by Cathach at Jan 28,2005 2:00pm
Look at the date of the post I made on Panzerfaust that has caused all the schism.Since that time I have severed my ties with the PFfor the simple fact that we do not agree on many issues anymore.This will be my final post on this matter.For the record-yes I am a national socialist
No, I am not a rascist nor do I advocate the extermination of a race.This is where many national socialist butt heads.I love my race but this doesn't mean I'm willing to align myself with idiots who blame their shotcomings on 'the niggers' and 'the jews'.Do I hate the Jewish religion-without a doubt, as well as my hatred of Christianity and Islam.I despise religions of slavery and oppression.My involvement with NSBM started because I saw groups playing the music I love addressing views that I shared that didn't wallow in the 'nigger stomping' inanities of most RAC/OI/Hate Rock.Now, as with any scene, there are a plethora of bands who would never have seen the light of day unless they threw a rune on their demo cover and pronounced themselves NSBM.As far as the choice of music by WP/Rac bands played at Helvete we made a very concious effort to feature songs that dealt with aggression against ALL rather than blind race hate.My use of the Hitler speech on one night was done to piss off the assistant manager of our old venue the Paradise.At the time we had established our regular crowd of friends and black metal comrades-all 15 of them-and no one in the room would have thought it was done for any other reason.Concerning my reviews of NSBM in the Weekly Dig, this was not done under a blanket of secrecyand I had lnog discussions with both the editor and music editor before a single review ran.It was done to promote bands I enjoyed and also to spark debate.But of the three letters written concerning these reviews none took a negative slant.I was suspended for missing a very important deadline, not for my beliefs.In conclusion I would like to reiterate my heartfelt thanks to all of you who have lent their voices in Helvete's defenseand I respectfully ask that those who still have issues with MY beliefs, actions or politics to leave my brothers Chris and Opie out of it.



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 28,2005 3:36pm
Done and done. Well put.



toggletoggle post by voltairine at Jan 28,2005 9:24pm
"As far as the choice of music by WP/Rac bands played at Helvete we made a very concious effort to feature songs that dealt with aggression against ALL rather than blind race hate."


"Dreadlocked bastard, gangster rapper
Raping white women is all that he's after
You've fooled the rest, but I know what you're about
You're threats will fall silent when you're the body count"
-from Bound for Glory, "ONE SHOT ONE KILL"


"The streets are still, the final battle has ended
Flushed with the fight, we proudly hail the dawn
See over the streets, the white man's emblem is waving
Triumphant standards of a race reborn"
-from Skrewdriver, "HAIL THE NEW DAWN"


Geez, sounds to me like anti-miscegenation lynching, and a "final battle" for White supremacy. But I guess you're deep and philosophical enough to see past all that, so everyone should just take you for your word. ya fuckin nazi.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jan 28,2005 9:32pm
voltairine said:
"As far as the choice of music by WP/Rac bands played at Helvete we made a very concious effort to feature songs that dealt with aggression against ALL rather than blind race hate."


"Dreadlocked bastard, gangster rapper
Raping white women is all that he's after
You've fooled the rest, but I know what you're about
You're threats will fall silent when you're the body count"
-from Bound for Glory, "ONE SHOT ONE KILL"


"The streets are still, the final battle has ended
Flushed with the fight, we proudly hail the dawn
See over the streets, the white man's emblem is waving
Triumphant standards of a race reborn"
-from Skrewdriver, "HAIL THE NEW DAWN"


Geez, sounds to me like anti-miscegenation lynching, and a "final battle" for White supremacy. But I guess you're deep and philosophical enough to see past all that, so everyone should just take you for your word. ya fuckin nazi.


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


The U.S. Constitution, protecting Americans from the world's babysitters since 1787




toggletoggle post by CNV nli at Jan 28,2005 9:59pm
voltairine said:
"As far as the choice of music by WP/Rac bands played at Helvete we made a very concious effort to feature songs that dealt with aggression against ALL rather than blind race hate."


"Dreadlocked bastard, gangster rapper
Raping white women is all that he's after
You've fooled the rest, but I know what you're about
You're threats will fall silent when you're the body count"
-from Bound for Glory, "ONE SHOT ONE KILL"


"The streets are still, the final battle has ended
Flushed with the fight, we proudly hail the dawn
See over the streets, the white man's emblem is waving
Triumphant standards of a race reborn"
-from Skrewdriver, "HAIL THE NEW DAWN"


G



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jan 29,2005 2:43am
Skrewdriver is awesome.



toggletoggle post by korpse at Jan 29,2005 8:21am
FREE MY LAND!!!



toggletoggle post by projectilevomit  at Jan 29,2005 7:48pm
this is real lame i wanted to check helvet out for a long time....i love how PC kids assume all people into BM are racists or facists or NS...i love punk grind black metal noise whatever man i listen to NS shit i dont agree with their ideas or views whatever its good music...this is along the line of when that band from italy Cripple bastards did a tour of the east coast...they got banned at ABC no rio for a CD cover (almost human) its a pic from that movie forced entry i think, the guy is getting sucked off while he has a gun to the girls head. its bull shit no matter what..like some one said they saw punks next to metal heads next to hardcore kids all having fun....thats cool...blowing you PC horn bout something you know nothing about is fuckin stupid



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 29,2005 8:05pm
aren't you the guy who said fuck not common because of the nazi lettering in the logo?



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jan 29,2005 9:41pm
"i love how PC kids assume all people into BM are racists or facists or NS."

stop being retarded. if you read the thread this isn't about "all people into BM" at all, it's the fact that one of the DJs *is* racist, fascist and NS, and was inviting other nazis to Helvete. i'm sure if someone starts another BM night up and doesn't advertise it on white power boards as a night for "true nsbm" none of the anarchists are gonna start shit.



toggletoggle post by projectilevomit  at Jan 29,2005 9:47pm
no that wasent me man i dont have a problem with joe or his lable at all..if you were talking to me



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 30,2005 12:14pm edited Jan 30,2005 12:15pm
my bad, that was futuristic puke

all these vomit names are confusing me



toggletoggle post by rachel at Jan 30,2005 12:33pm
Joe/NotCommon said:


I don't think the rest of the country is the same as Massachsuetts, artistic expression is forbidden here.



That may be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. You are clueless.



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 30,2005 12:34pm
and joe claims another victim



toggletoggle post by projectilevomit  at Jan 30,2005 12:38pm
its cool man...i was trippin face last night so i probly ranted and raved bout this hole thing...im not trying to defend people who zeig heil at helvet im just trying to voice my opinion on the hole thing...i never went to helvet but i wish i could have cause it seamed pretty cool...



toggletoggle post by assuck   at Jan 30,2005 12:40pm
it's all good, gee




tooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggguee



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 30,2005 3:32pm
You know what really pisses me off? Jewish people.



toggletoggle post by blow‘n chunks on cunts at Jan 30,2005 11:30pm
BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:


hey how did that picture of my last arrest get in here..oh well only did 3 years upstate for that one..the spook asked for it..i swear



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 31,2005 8:55am
rachel said:
You are clueless.


Clueless, yet sexy.



toggletoggle post by alex berkman. at Feb 2,2005 2:09pm
if every other song was skrewdriver, wouldn't it not be a black metal night then?

anonymous said:
anonymous said:
Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power".

Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics?

If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again.

Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find.



Here's the thing faggot no one wanted to clean up their fucking image. Helvete was never for whiny cunts like you. I'm gonna host my own black metal night where every other song is Skrewdriver just to piss people like you off. I don't tell people how to fucking think or act but scum like you are the ones that tell people how to think, how to act, walk, talk, fuck, shit, piss and moan and pout when something comes along that you don't understand. Your the kind of fucking people that burned people at the stake at the Salem Witch trials when in reality most of em' were not even fucking witches.

GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! CNV was never a political band... We are an Occult band and we're not going to tone it down to please a group of people that smell like sewer rats.... FUCKING DIE!






toggletoggle post by litacore   at Feb 2,2005 2:16pm
he's back! LOL!

where are the other anarcho-communists today? busy shutting down Disney Land?



toggletoggle post by alex berkman. at Feb 2,2005 3:47pm
you didn't answer the question about the black metal night that would be mostly RAC



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Feb 2,2005 3:51pm
eh?



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Feb 2,2005 4:00pm
Maybe you should shut your fucking kike loving mouth.



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Feb 2,2005 4:05pm
I need to watch that movie 'History of the World Part I" now, just for that song 'The Inquisition'

'Torquemada--do not ask him forgiveness.
'Torquemada--do not beg him for mercy.
Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!'



toggletoggle post by poisonidea at Feb 17,2005 11:23pm
OK this the situation is fucked, as it always is on message boards,but I have to admit, I skipped though all of it (and I'm probably better off for it, but... and a huge fucking butt, if anybody wants to do ANYTHING it is his or her right, free speech, I like that. As far as Skrewdriver goes, (you have heard this a million times befere) The early stuff was great, the singles, All Skrewed Up, etc. but then they punked out (pun intended) and crapped out, spilling out racist shit until Mr. Stuart died.
Good for him. As for Helvete, I love BM and thought the idea of an extreme Black Metal night was a worthy cause. But to bounce back to Skrewdriver, "Back street kids" is a far cry from "Hail the new dawn"
What the fuck does that or Bound For Glory have to do with Black Metal?
Nothing, just a good 'ol boy nod to the cunts in the crowd.
Clickety clack goes the keyboard, ah fuck it.

There is no such thing as "non-political"
Unless you got something to hide.

Spoons



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Apr 14,2005 12:11pm
Did anyone else see the cock slobbering The Weekly Dig gave NEANTIFA this week? "OH NOES THEY CALLED TARGETED US IN THEIR SUMMER 04 NEWSLETTER BECAUSE OF OUR RECORD REVIEWS SORRY NEANTIFA YOU GUYS RAWK!"



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Apr 14,2005 4:10pm
I did not see this.


???



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Apr 14,2005 4:17pm
The NEANTIFA article

I'm tempted to write a letter to the dig about how they shut down Helvete as soon as I get my english paper out of the way.

The funniest thing about the article is that all of the NEANTIFA's veiled threats read like something you would have seen in a Kerrang expose on Black Metal back in the early 90's.

"We do not wish to reveal our full membership, mwhahahaha a member of the Black Circle/NEANTIFA could be right beside you, BEWARE!!!!!!"



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Apr 14,2005 4:22pm
What's NEANTIFA stand for? amd which dig issue was it in?



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Apr 14,2005 4:32pm
Northeast Anti Fascist

and it's in this week's issue



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Apr 14,2005 4:40pm
oh. Sorry, but what's on the cover? :p



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Apr 14,2005 5:00pm



toggletoggle post by Mrs. Grady at Apr 15,2005 1:55am
The dj from Nasty Habits is a member of antifa. Pretty sure he played a big role in shutting down Helvete.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Apr 15,2005 8:51am
any metal thats not the red chord cannot exist! - the guy from nasty habits
(note, this is not a real quote)



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Apr 15,2005 9:23am
Mrs. Grady said:
The dj from Nasty Habits is a member of antifa. Pretty sure he played a big role in shutting down Helvete.


That would explain a lot. Including why that show sucks.



toggletoggle post by BestialOnslaught  at Apr 15,2005 11:20am
I wouldn't be surprised if one person on this board was part of Antifa...



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Apr 15,2005 11:21am
Josh Martin is the head of Antifa



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Apr 15,2005 1:14pm
i heard one of the guys from ramallah was a member.



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Apr 15,2005 1:21pm
OK OK, it was me, i got it shut down, sorry guys



toggletoggle post by BestialOnslaught  at Apr 15,2005 1:33pm
anonymous said:
i heard one of the guys from ramallah was a member.


Ha!



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Apr 16,2005 4:48am
Jesus fuck, I just read that whole damn thing. You people all owe me tho hours of sleep. Everyone on either extreme side of this issue is retarded, like, hockey-helmet-and-a-pokemon-shirt-and-you're-thirty-five retarded, everyone who made reasoned arguments without flame baiting rules, Helvete should stay, and I'm going the FUCK to bed. Good night.



toggletoggle post by THAUMATURGE at Apr 17,2005 1:37am
WAIT WTF HAPENED TO THE HELVETE WEBSITE???



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Apr 17,2005 8:42am
It was devoured by Jesus Christ, the head of ANTIFA worldwide.



toggletoggle post by __THeMoor__  at Apr 17,2005 2:19pm
this is ridiculous

99% of the people have no idea what their talking about.
i can't believe this thread is still going on, let it go



toggletoggle post by anonyman at Sep 21,2005 1:44am
CNV nli said:
voltairine said:
"As far as the choice of music by WP/Rac bands played at Helvete we made a very concious effort to feature songs that dealt with aggression against ALL rather than blind race hate."


"Dreadlocked bastard, gangster rapper
Raping white women is all that he's after
You've fooled the rest, but I know what you're about
You're threats will fall silent when you're the body count"
-from Bound for Glory, "ONE SHOT ONE KILL"


"The streets are still, the final battle has ended
Flushed with the fight, we proudly hail the dawn
See over the streets, the white man's emblem is waving
Triumphant standards of a race reborn"
-from Skrewdriver, "HAIL THE NEW DAWN"


G


this thread is absolutely hilarious,by the way cnv STILL isnt aloud to play in boston because of that group,alot of good all the tough talk did!



toggletoggle post by just cant hate enough at Jan 31,2006 12:29pm
actually CNV is going to be playing the Boston I heard and all people who attempt stop them will be crushed, so there was no tough talk, just truth, sometimes you just need patience. metal will always win over ignorant richkid political fanatics as neafac.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jan 31,2006 12:47pm
i wish Worcester had a club like this. they have so many crappy ass venues run by complete jerkoffs. the last club that actually was decent was the Espresso Bar, but that was cool in 96, and would most likely suck ass now. if i had the resources i would totally open a metal club. damn finances.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Sep 1,2010 11:46am
it has been years. helvete needs to start back up.
please make it happen.



toggletoggle post by bloblovesmusic at Sep 1,2010 11:53am
Yeti said[orig][quote]
i wish Worcester had a club like this. they have so many crappy ass venues run by complete jerkoffs. the last club that actually was decent was the Espresso Bar, but that was cool in 96, and would most likely suck ass now. if i had the resources i would totally open a metal club. damn finances.


4 years later you have Ralphs and Metal Thursday! Suck it!



toggletoggle post by AndrewBastard at Sep 1,2010 12:18pm
not AT ALL EVEN FUCKING CLOSE....BOB!



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Sep 1,2010 12:24pm
Man.. I remember how pissed everyone was because of this. Hard to believe this was nearly 6 years ago.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Sep 1,2010 12:24pm
Hahaha, srsly.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Sep 1,2010 12:26pm
And yea. Make this shit happen again!



toggletoggle post by MLK NLI at Sep 1,2010 12:40pm
Is this a white power club?



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Sep 1,2010 12:44pm
Yes.



toggletoggle post by Who wants to know? at Sep 1,2010 2:09pm



toggletoggle post by HELVETE DOES NOT ENDORSE THIS at Sep 1,2010 2:20pm



toggletoggle post by KPANZER at Sep 1,2010 3:32pm
Let the dead rest in peace. Helvete is dead-long live Helvete



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Sep 1,2010 3:37pm
DestroyYouAlot said[orig][quote]
Jesus fuck, I just read that whole damn thing. You people all owe me tho hours of sleep. Everyone on either extreme side of this issue is retarded, like, hockey-helmet-and-a-pokemon-shirt-and-you're-thirty-five retarded, everyone who made reasoned arguments without flame baiting rules, Helvete should stay, and I'm going the FUCK to bed. Good night.


yeah, wow, why did i read that.
seems like even if helvete were to start up again the same shit would happen.



toggletoggle post by goatcatabisk at Sep 1,2010 3:54pm
I wish this whole thing turned physical.



toggletoggle post by punk potenza at Sep 1,2010 5:25pm
peace punks hah so stupid along with considering this was a WP or NSBM thing/ event. ignorant little cunts its an insult to punks to be lumped into the same group as these rich little turds. i had herd good things bout helvet and was hopping to mabey go to one or try and get my black metal band on a show sometime but oh well. good job on trying to do something nice for people to do on a monday night!



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Sep 2,2010 7:42am
bloblovesmusic said[orig][quote]
Yeti said[orig][quote]
i wish Worcester had a club like this. they have so many crappy ass venues run by complete jerkoffs. the last club that actually was decent was the Espresso Bar, but that was cool in 96, and would most likely suck ass now. if i had the resources i would totally open a metal club. damn finances.


4 years later you have Ralphs and Metal Thursday! Suck it!


haha seriously, things have dramatically changed in that regard.



toggletoggle post by 14/88 at Jan 29,2015 7:12pm
Ten years later and the laughs are still on you Boston. Now you have politically correct faggot black metal bands. Fuck off.



toggletoggle post by Hitler had one testicle at Jan 30,2015 12:01am
Fuck off pretend nazi janssen dya anon



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