Downloading episode 1 now, no spoilers plz

No plot advancement in the first episode. Outside of the word "cunt", the episode was a solid 3/10.

The Hound wants all the fucking chicken.

Meh. Disappointed. Waited what, like a year and a half for what? That? Boring boring bored. IDK if I can stick it out with this very long. About as dull and drawn out as the one book I was barely able to stay awake through.

Only season one and the books are real.

This thread lowered my expectations enough to enjoy episode 1. Thanks rttp!

They spent the season finale on a glorified trailer for the season 4 premiere and then spent the season 4 premiere playing the "hey, remember this guy? He's got a new haircut" game.

Nobody else gets away with this bullshit.

It's funny that you all hated this episode, because I thought it was a noticeable step UP in quality from anything in seasons 2 or 3.

Ever the contrarian. Good show is good. Fuck all y'all.

Curious what exactly you liked about it. The dick grab scene withstanding.

What's with the new Daario Naharis recast? The new guy looks nothing like the old one (who looked nothing like he's described in the books).

^ Yea, that was confusing at first. You'd think they'd get someone that looked like the other actor. But instead that got some hippie dude that loves flowers.

I guess this:

"Ed Skrein played Daario Naharis in "Game of Thrones" season 3.
A report from Variety may have revealed the reason for Skrein’s departure. In February, Variety reported Skrein will star in a new “Transporter” movie, taking over the role of Frank Martin from Jason Statham in the franchise. As Daario would become more of a focal point in “Game of Thrones” season 4, and in future seasons, it could lead to conflicts with the shooting schedule for “Transporter.” Shooting for “Transporter” is expected to begin in June, reports Variety."

http://www.ibtimes.com/game-thrones-season...-season-premiere-two-swords-1568312

New Daario is 10000x hotter

Didn't see episode 2 ending on that note, but I sure liked it.

Ep1 was fine. Ep2 ruled, I was savoring all of the uncomfortable-ness and then it ended just how it should have.

If you didn't see Joffrey's murder foreshadowed 5000 times before, then you're watching it wrong.

Joffriliusbm

i like it. i don't know.

I was waiting for that. Right when I typed "watching"

I've heard theories from book fans who think they're going to drag the whodunit out all season long as opposed to the book where we got the answer literally the next chapter.

Which is kind of cool. If done right, that could be some quality TV from Game of Thrones for a change.

goatwhore

Right. It's pretty much the opposite when you learn what becomes of Ser Barristan in the book as opposed to the show. In the book, Martin had the option of hiding his identity for a bit. Since we know what he looks like in the show, not an option.

Yeah for sure, i'm happy they didn't attempt the Barristan mystery. Works on paper, but no way that would've worked in a TV medium.

Speaking of mysteries, is it pretty much factual in the show at this point that it was Cersei who sent the assassin after Bran? They never gave even a hint of it being Joffrey in the show, afterall.

Great point. It was a pretty subtle realization in the book but I don't remember it happening on the show.

bennyhillifier

Not enough nudity this season. Also, a lot of filler. Too many plots for one hour episodes. Of course the books are better. But it certainly seems like the show is getting worse and worse.

True, but season 2 of Vikings still makes this look like a diamond.

Vikings and Game of Thrones? Is this the thread where we talk about massively overhyped TV shows which could've been good, but failed miserably? In that case, HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN DEXTER OR THE KILLING?

Ugh. Bad TV is bad.

Everything is very bad.

Spence, what shows do ya like?

I watch Breaking Bad and the first three seasons of Lost on a loop indefinitely.

Seriously, according to spence everything in the world is overhyped.

I like the got show much better than the books, I can sit through a few bad episodes for the good ones, the books just drag and drag for me.

fixed.

The books at their worst is still better than the show at it's best.

Diarrhea is better than this fucking thread.

Spoiler and Facebook repost alert: http://i.imgur.com/y0UKCRi.png

YEAH TYWIN JUST SHITS HIS WAY OUTTA EVERYTHING. read the fucking books dweeb

my sports misc niggas know what i'm talkin about

Lol. gooby y u no reed bookz. Shutup_fagget

Game of Soap Opera.

SPOILER but...

Oberyn was the best new character on the show. He didn't give a shit about shit and he was a legit threat to the Lannisters, who couldn't do anything about it. And after all that he gets the sunset flip finish pulled on him and George RR Martin runs out of the ring with the belt.

I love the show but I don't get the character selection whatsoever. Everyone worth anything is dead or forced into a subplot that gets overshadowed by the boring world of Daenerys Queen of the Friend Zone.

:3 BROS

Unacceptable kayfabe

If you think there aren't any characters worth anything, you must not be paying close attention. That's not some book snob response either; crazy shit is developing that is specifically referenced in the show.

I personally want more Dreadfort

They are so ostentatiously gory over there

That quick clip of all those flayed ass mothafuckas after Theon got Moat Cailin was awesome.

Brnsy plz. I'm obviously getting a little ahead of myself by saying none of the remaining characters are worth anything. I haven't read the books, and I'm sure there's some crazy shit brewing. But Rob Stark is dead, Oberyn is dead, the Hound is comic relief, your top heel is dead in Joeffrey and no one has really taken his place. Maybe I should be grateful for the uncertainty but I don't know who challenges the Lannisters right now (NO SPOILERS PLZ) and the main sub plots are Jon Snow vs the Wildlings vs the White Walkers and the Daenerys - I Love New York reality show.

At this point, the show is turning into Dallas reruns... With swords.

I hear ya, Mike. This isn't a spoiler as it's one of the things eluded to in the show but the Baelish/Sansa story is a pretty major development in the story.

***SPOILER ALERT***

Ned Stark appears from his bath, and the whole show turns out to all be a dream.


Also little finger needs to get his ass killed, that smiling bastard pisses me off.

I would have liked to see more of that final outfit she had on.

The last episode was easily the BEST episode post-season one, to be perfectly honest.

The Jorah stuff was poorly handled(would've made more sense to have had Barristan and Jorah have some sort of rivalry, with Barristan knowing from the start - instead of deus ex machina) but the scenes were well done. The Theon/Bolton scenes were killer, and pretty close to what I imagined from the books. The Arya/Hound scenes are obnoxious as shit, but the scene this episode with them getting to the Eyrie was great.

Sophie Turner(Sansa) and Aiden Gilly(Littlefinger) both tend to flipflop from terrible actors to great actors, but this episode they both killed it - and the writer's actually felt like they were TRYING for a change.

And of course, the Tyrion dungeon scene and the trial by combat were both great scenes. Excellent acting, beautifully shot and edited, etc. I actually think it was VERY wise of them to not put any music during the fight itself, since we had crowd noises and Oberyn's lines - intense music would've made it too cluttered. Good choices.

You said the same thing about the first episode this season where nothing happened.

That one was more because seasons 2 and 3 were irredeemably awful.

While very little has actually happened this season as a whole, I feel like the scene-to-scene dialogue writing has much improved, I feel like the actors are trying again(especially Peter Dinklage and Kit Harrington), I feel like the gore-effects this season are no where nearly as laughable as they were in previous seasons, and I feel like the series just all around looks better now.

So far, S1 >>>>>>>> S4 >>>>>>>>>> S3 >>>>>>>> S2

I do agree that much less has been happening though, which kind of makes the series at least feel more focused. I guess i'm still clinging onto the hope that the series might become fully decent again like it was in S1, so I guess we'll see what S5 brings. I'm mainly watching for this season's ending to see how they handle Tyrion-stuff on the big screen.

Also, this season doesn't fucking have QUEEN TALISSA STARK or ROS THE WHORE WHO'S EVERYWHERE.

That by itself makes this season a step up of the previous two.

bennyhillifier

Haha Someone just posted that video on my page. Too funny.

Regarding what you said about Barristan/Jorah, I just finished the books a few months ago but my memory is already a little hazy. So many little details. My understanding is that in the books, Barristan obviously knew the whole time since he was Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, but he waited to reveal his identity while he got a feel for Dany (giggity) and whether she was like Rhaegar or Aerys. However, and I think we talked about this already, in the show, they have to drop the Arstan Whitebeard story because we already know what Selmy looks like. How else could the show have handled Barristan outing Jorah as the informer? I just don't know what you mean, I guess. They DID have a rivalry in the show and one never trusted the other. When I saw the episode, I thought it was well done and was glad to see that issue finally sewed up.

No, I agree that it's a good thing that they skipped the Whitebeard silliness.

I just mean, randomly a spy steals the pardon from Jorah's stuff and hands it to Barristan, then Barristan gives it to Dany - all in one episode. In the book, it felt like it flowed. In the show, it felt like it just happened because plotdevice. Feels out of left field and rushed.

Maybe they'll reveal that show-Tywin had some huge elaborate ploy to make that happen, but that's just as unbelievable as LF and Varys omnipresent spies in showverse. (in that, at least in the books, the spies had their limits)

I think Varys is a warg. Little Finger, I dunno.

Varys being a warg would make perfect sense in both the show and the books.

Littlefinger being a warg wouldn't make any sense in the books, but I could see them doing something like that in the show to explain his constant omnipresence.

Oh, I was saying I just don't really have a good Little Finger theory. I don't think he's a warg though. Definitely doesn't make sense. I feel like varys's little birds are meant to be literal.

Any objections to last night?

OBJECTION NIGGAS

I thought it was great. Was hoping to get one more scene in from the book but it'll have to wait til next week. This finale is going to be packed.

yeah, the giant should have held the door open for, you know, everyone else.

lol

The series basically followed up the best episode of the series post-s1, with what's easily probably the worst episode of the whole series but rather than going through and listing every single problem I had with it(there's way too many) i'll just go through with the parts I liked.

Ser Alliser Thorne. Probably the one character with decent lines this episode, and the actor really knows how to deliver them. Great performance. Also his fight with Tormund was suspenseful as fuck.

I also felt Pyp, Grenn and Edd were all standouts this episode.

And of course, mindless action is always fun and makes us all forget the horrible writing. But no big deal.

Okay, the blade on the giant chain was also fucking awesome.

Oh yeah, the scythe was pretty badass.

But it would've been way more badass if we saw hundreds of wildlings scaling the wall all get knocked off, instead of literally five.

bennyhillifier

One day Spence will discover Downton Abbey and realize it's everything he ever wanted from Game of Thrones.

Episode was mediocre. Cool mammoths, Bros.

I like that Oberyn can get his head popped/exploded from pressure/whatever from HANDS, and yet Jon Snow gets his face thrown full-force into a fucking anvil by a Thenn, and yet is perfectly fine.

And of course, that's followed up by Jon delivering a Walking Dead death with a flimsy hammer that would barely give someone a concussion - let alone split open their skull.

spence, all valid points until the hammer bit. any hammer will do that to a skull. especially a ball-pein hammer, which is used to shape iron and the like. i'm not trying to stand up for jon, because yeah, that anvil should have knocked him out cold.

Cannibal Corpse has now changed their hit single to "Hammer Feathered Face"

I just saw last night's episode and was like 'K.'

I thought ygritte's death was a poor deviation. I'm pretty lenient with the deviation from the books but that shit was ridiculous.

Has anyone figured out yet that Sam Tarley is George RR Martin?

bennyhillifier


bennyhillifier

Now that I'm looking at it again, didn't it seem really negligent and wasteful to drop that ice anchor thing with only a handful of exhausted climbers left on it?

If Jon was there I doubt he would have given such a brash command, but what does that andrewbastard character (aka Eddison Tollett) know about defense strategies?
Why is everyone sitting around Castle Black the next morning instead of filling that tunnel with rocks and then caving it in? They could also cover the outside with water to make the area before the gate into an ice rink. But I guess they'd rather face imminent death than live and lol at a Mammoth stumbling while minstrels on archlutes play the Benny Hill theme.

COOL RIP OFF OF ME GEORGE R. R. R. R. R. R. MARTIN. WHY DONT YOU GET YOUR OWN FANTASY ANIMALS LIKE TROLLOCS YOU FAGGOT

Mammoths aren't fantasy animals.

1. Yes that guy looks like Andrew.
2. Mammoths weren't in the bible. So fantasy animal.

WHY DID THEY HAVE THEM LOOK AS MASTADONS THEN HUH? GIANTS ARENT FANTASY ANIMALS EITHER YOU KNOW

Wasnt no giants on Noah's Aaaahk.

If they had used the scythe on HUNDREDS of troops, then it would've been badass. The fact they used it on LITERALLY five people gives me a headache. Apparently the NW never heard of poking climbers with pikes.

Speaking of which, Grenn and his lot should've had pikes too - or at least in addition to swords, so they could get the giant before he broke through his gate.

Also, I love how Jon demonstrating his great leadership only involves him saying NOCK, DRAW, LOOSE over and over again.

And of course, using flame arrows makes zero sense as flame arrows were near exclusively used to set enemy ships, siegeengines and buildings on fire.

The writers on this show are hacks.

The Others thoughhhhhh. Gotta burn all dem mahfuckas.

Glad only one crappy episode left of this poor mans Tolkien. Bored of this. Show me dragons and white walkers or give up. Bored.

If you don't like it why don't you go bake cookies like you always say but never FOLLOW THROUGH WITH!

I hate boss fights. Like everyone important is made a boss and to kill a boss, you must be another boss. Generic and predictable as fuck.

Racist

There's a button that ::gasp:: CHANGES THE FUCKING STATION if you don't like what you're watching lol.

I can't push it with all the cake batter on my hands. Plus I want to see dragons. Don't hate the show just want dragons.

bennyhillifier

I get what you're saying but would it really make your day to see a principle character go down by jacuzzi spider? There's a reason why recognizable characters kill other recognizable characters.

Am I the only one doesn't watch this show sober?

It's a bumout to see The Hound go down especially to Brieanne who I don't think much of as a character. I'm told in the book he gets done in by some jabroni and neither The Hound or Arya ever come into contact with Brieanne. It's a punch in the face though to see The Hound die with zero satisfaction. He turns babyface and you think he's going to get some kind of revenge on his brother or the Lannisters or somebody and then he just dies out of nowhere. It was very Vince Russo of Martin. Again.

I get it in the sense that Arya had to eventually get herself to Bravos, and that's an actually exciting turn of events because they've been alluding to this for a long time and Arya hooking up with (I'm assuming) a group of assassins in Bravos can only lead to something great.

It was also, thank god, a better season finale than last season's. I think HBO got enough shit from it's public by wasting the season finale last year that they had to do it right this time. It's not without its faults though.

Does Stannis end up fighting the Wildlings in the book? If I was Stannis and the priestess all of a sudden told me "Whoops, the lord of light of all a sudden wants you to fight a different war or a different front even though I already told you that victory was a sure thing at Blackwater" I think it'd be a grumpy gus about it. And what ever happened with Stannis' mysterious trip to Bravos to get backing from the iron bank? At the time it seemed like they had just put this huge step over on the Lannisters, then we don't hear from him for weeks and then he shows up in the north.

Yes, the whole Brienne/Hound thing did not happen in the book. I sorta get it, because as a show watcher, you see Brienne as pretty insignificant but she's definitely not in the books. It was a decent fight scene, though a little long in my opinion. In the books, the Hound dies very slowly after the fight in the Tavern where Arya killed Polliver.

Good question about Stannis's trip to Braavos. The way I remember it in the books, he didn't actually go to Braavos. A banker from the Iron Bank meets up with them at Castle Black after defeating the wildlings. I think the show has always done a pretty lackluster job in showing how totally fuckin' badass Stannis is.

So many questions with the finale, but the main one that's bugging me: what did Spence think of it?

UNCONFIRMED

Haha. Fair enough!

The Hound is alive. He has a limp and hides away.

I'll bet money that Spence hated it, was rooting for the Hound's cholesterol to be what killed him, turned the channel to a Swiffer commercial and then dubbed it the best Swiffer commercial since season 1.

Loved the episode, lots of things wrapped up and sets up a lot more. I had the Tywin moment spoiled for a long ago but it sounded so ridiculous that I never gave it credit for being real.

I'm mildly confused about Stannis: so did the bank give him money? I assumed no. I also had no idea why he showed up at the north initially, I don't remember that being part of his plan.

Also loved the running skeletons.

Yes, Stannis got the backing from the Iron Bank. He showed up in the North cuz dat crazy bitch Melisandre said so.

The skeletons made we wanna load up Skyrim and Fus-Ro-Dah some draugrs.

BACKED

bennyhillifier